Cigarettes

[masterofnone]

How come it's legal to sell a product knowing that it kills the end user?
If we were to supply a product or service knowing this we'd be had up for corporate manslaughter, at the least( unless it's railtrack, but thats another issue).
It's been known for 250 years that tobacco is detrimental to health, and just what do they put in them to make them so addictive?
The addiction removes the "It's their choice arguement".
Ultimately.
The tobacco companies are peddling death, with the connivance of the govt, purely because of cash.


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[sailorman]

yes but its ok to buy the tax paid variety but not the "POISONUS" counterfiet crap

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[Birdseye]

Come on now. I loathe cigarettes as only an ex smoker can do, but I think you are a bit OTT. It hasnt been known about for 250 years - in WW2 for example the medics used to give a cigarette to an injured man as something to help him - and they dont add something to them to make them addictive. Its the nicotine in tobacco that does that, and even then only mildly so.

Cars kill, so does booze, so does fatty food. So does life.

Personally I would like to see smoking banned in public places and fags sold on prescription just like other drugs. But whats the point when you can buy amphetamines, crack etc on the street corner of even very small towns

P.S. Whats this to do with sailing?

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[Oldhand]

Hello... are you on the right forum?

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[webcraft]

When we had a village shop it was sometimes hard to sell fags to people you knew would soon be dead because of 'em. We looked into selling patches and nicotine gum to help people give up, but we weren't allowed to - only pharmacists could.

(These items contained a dangerous poison, you understand).

You are no longer allowed to sell paracetemol in packs containing more than 16, yet there is a lethal dose in 20 cigs if taken all at once.

It's all bo%%ocks and hypocrisy - but personally I would worry if cigs were banned, because booze might be next!

The pub ban in Ireland seemed to be working well when we were over there - but it was Summer . . .

- Nick



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[sailorman]

WOT they BANNED PUBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[FullCircle]

Bit strong. Usually like your posts questions.
Me, ex-smoker. Predictably I have evolved into a horrible abhorrent.
I design cars, which we design to go faster before they kill others. They don't kill you, because we are pratt enough to design restraints, bags and other cocoon devices to keep you safe.
There is a huge rescue industry worldwide for marine adventures gone wrong.
You buy/consume all manner of things made in deprived countries using processes which kill people but you get it at the 'right' price.
You let people dispose of your waste, exposing them to risks you would not find acceptable. Coming to a recycling plant near you soon.
I once wished I could join one of the fag company boats on the Whitbread.

Most important bit: The smokers of this country contribute more tax to this country than their addictions cost overall. Therefore they are net contributors generally.
I am lucky enough to be able to afford a bloke to barrier me from Gordon Browns Army, and I probably pay less.

And this should have NB in the post title

Have you got the license for that cat yet?

Jim

<hr width=100% size=1>Jeanneau 35 - only 13,272 lbs displacement, not even 6 tons,what a lightweight!!!

 

[snowleopard]

250 years is over-egging it a bit, but today everyone certainly knows the danger. it just makes smokers candidates for the Darwin Awards.

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[MapisM]

I realized only at your third sentence that tobacco is what you were talking about.
...that actually seemed a typical rant against fast powerboats! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[masterofnone]

Re: Cigarettes.N.B

Feeling a bit serious at the moment. Apologies.
1746 it was decided smoking detrimental to health.
I believe that smoking related health problems cost the NHS far more than the tax take from tobacco.
If everyone paid the tax due, the rate has been estimated at 10p in the £, but similar to yourself, i deploy tax avoidance procedures, so no comment.



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[tcm]

tax take from tobaco

um, no. The tax take from tobacco is £8bn, and costs the NHS no more than £3bn. In grim reality, the country would be/was loads better off when everyone killed themselves nice and young, so, bizarre/unacceptable as it may sound, handing out free ways of killing yourself would be much much better way of running the NHS, which has so far not prevented one single person from dying - it's just put it off for a while. This doesn't wash with most 40somethings well past useful procreating age or older just starting to see light at the end of the financial tunnel.

Being born is the only primary cause of death. Death by base jumping, tobacco, drink, drugs, car crashes are simply early doors from the same corridor.

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[masterofnone]

Re: tax take from tobaco

What we need's a war then!
Oh ,I forget we've got one going badly wrong, that should thin the breeding stock out a bit.
Tad drastic.

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[tcm]

Re: tax take from tobaco

no, quite right, we need a war.

BUT I suppose, after a while, those with excellent war-mongering genes all get blwon up and blown away by machine guns etc, leaving behind only a bunch of gutless unprincipled money-grubbing tax-avoiding wimps and cynics who er um, hang about a minute...

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[aitchw]

Re: tax take from tobaco

It has always been the case that those of us that drive most, drink most and smoke most make the biggest net financial contribution to this country. It would be nice to be appreciated for our efforts.<G> Perhaps some minor tax breaks?

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[Phoenix of Hamble]

Re: tax take from tobaco

Excellent idea....

How about extra pension top ups for state pension, to be collected at 65, for any smoker consuming more than 20 a day /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[FullCircle]

Re: tax take from tobaco

Do we 'eck as like need a war!!!!!!!!!
That just reduces the population considering/young enough to propagate the species and supply some more tax providers for us putative coffin dodgers!
No actually we need more tax payers. Unemployment reached 4 mil in the 80's, but no one was saying we can't pay the unemployment or , more importantly, the pensioners.
As the 4th richest nation on earth, we need to assassinate the planks who legislate this til we can't afford it, allegedly......

What we need is more marinas, everywhere, and that will relieve the mental pressures of the Capital City folk giving them more time to peruse the Bavaria brochures, to berth at reasonable cost on Gods territory. Maybe a dredger or two for the East Coast too.

J

<hr width=100% size=1>Jeanneau 35 - only 13,272 lbs displacement, not even 6 tons,what a lightweight!!!

 

[tcm]

Re: tax take from tobaco

ah ok then, how about the govt does soething that will encourage oldish people to naff off into the distance. Such as erm, VAT/tax breaks on boats.

The other option would be to kill everyone who applies to go near a hospital. Oops! - i was forgetting about MRSA, they're always just one step ahead...

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