Chichester Habour at risk of ruin from raw sewage!

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So claims this article:

Southern Water sewage is destroying protected harbour, say activists

Southern Water once again finds itself at the centre the fiasco and is once again trying to blame all and sundry.

Pretty shocking if this is true.

I think that it is a slightly over dramatised view....

I've sailed in the harbour (windsurf/dinghy/cruiser) for getting on for 40 years, and Southern Water has always been guilty of sewage outflow throughout that time... we ran national regattas back in the 80's and the instructions advised windsurfers to keep their mouths closed...

That's not an apology for Southern water they need to get their sh*t together (see what I did there? :D ) but getting histrionic about it is, purely in my view, not helpful

Southern Water is trying (badly) to deal with a massive increase in housing... but there are other greater issues, farming nitrate run off has resulted in the worst weed in the harbours that I have seen this year...
 

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+1 In the 1990s parts of the harbour were little more than an open sewer. Dell Quay had signs warning of dangerous polution levels, and a friend became quite seriously ill after falling in. The situation is vastly improved, but still nowehere near good enough. Dell Quay used to have a faecal scum in drier spells, and 'gentlemens rubber wear' was a commonly seen local species!. Its relativel,y clean now, but whenever there is any amount of rain, it all comes back as the sewage plant is unable to cope and overfolws into the harbour. But its not just Southern Water, Govt and Regional Policies call for continued building of huge amounts of housing all along the coastal strip. My home village is due to have another 1200 houses added - with no thought to local amentities, traffic etc, and no provision for all that extra waste water, and no apparent plan to cope with it. Just dump it in the harbour, the tide will take it away..... It can only get worse, unless Govt invests substatial sums in dealing with -rather literally - the issue! In the end its down to Central Government. Its them demanding all this new housing.

You would have thought they would have learned by their mistakes: its all happened before. Just build loads of new estates, without any of the infratstructrure needed to go with the new populations.

It bugs me too, that organisations like Natural England seem to think they are first people to have thought of all this, and that everything was OK until recently. We see just the same thing in Studland. Its only since 2008 the boats have been anchoring there, and that is their base line for restoration. Everything was OK up to then in Studland according to NGM. The difference is of course that Chi Harbour actually HAS improved in the last 15 - 20 years, though nowehere near enough!
 
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I'm another Chi local and totally agree with Old Harry and Fantasie 19.

Two points I'd add are:

Most of the time the water around Dell Quay, just south of the Apuldrum Sewerage works meets clean beach swimming standards.

Although Southern Water are a victim of insane levels of house building they are a statutory consultee in the planning process and they never seem to object to developments. Andrew Frost head of Chichester District Council Planning Services actually wrote to Southern Water making that point.
 

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I'm another Chi local and totally agree with Old Harry and Fantasie 19.

Two points I'd add are:

Most of the time the water around Dell Quay, just south of the Apuldrum Sewerage works meets clean beach swimming standards.

Although Southern Water are a victim of insane levels of house building they are a statutory consultee in the planning process and they never seem to object to developments. Andrew Frost head of Chichester District Council Planning Services actually wrote to Southern Water making that point.
Up until the recent fines SW got away lightly despite being a serial recidivist, so probably viewed the new housing as a source of income rather than a cause of strife. Ain't capitalism(at least the rent-seeking end) grand.
 

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Up until the recent fines SW got away lightly despite being a serial recidivist, so probably viewed the new housing as a source of income rather than a cause of strife. Ain't capitalism(at least the rent-seeking end) grand.

True, but Highways are the Government and they never object either for exactly that reason - more houses = more budget to them. ?
 

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True, but Highways are the Government and they never object either for exactly that reason - more houses = more budget to them. ?
Report any spills to the Environment Agency. The water company will be fined and be permitted by OFWAT, the regulator, to spend customers money on addressing the problem.

We have a combined sewer system throughout the country which relies, during periods of heavy rainfall which the sewer network cannot cope with, on Combined System Overflows. Some CSOs are screened to remove the 'litter' many are not even screened. Dumping of the 'litter' is illegal which the E.A. will address with assistance from an interested public.This link takes you to the E.A. incident reporting website.
 

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The seals don't seem to mind. Dozens of them hauled out in the Emsworth Channel on Saturday.

...indeed, and that means fish stocks must be up as well.. no evidence for that view other than the mentioned increased number of seals (so they must be eating well), but also what I see in th water round the boat - just seems more mullet this year than previous...
 

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After a heavy rainstorm it is so pleasant to drive through sewage on the Apuldram Road. I accept that the water has to go somewhere but...
 

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Was fascinating to watch new ‘omes being enthusiastically erected to the E side of Chichester on what I thought of as boggy soggy fields with hopeless drainage .
Wot did I kno
And S Water Co busy redirecting pipe work “ somehow” and of course having to factor adding sewage capacity …
Don’t envy them !
Don’t envy us !
All xxxxoff a ducks back of course ?
 

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So claims this article:

Southern Water sewage is destroying protected harbour, say activists

Southern Water once again finds itself at the centre the fiasco and is once again trying to blame all and sundry.

Pretty shocking if this is true.
About115 years ago, a number of dignitaries, including the Bishop of Winchester, died of food poisoning after eating sewage contaminated Oysters from Emsworth. So there is nothing 'new'? It marked the end of the flourishing Emsworth Oyster Trade. But full marks to those who are standing up and objecting to the fact that this could still happen now a Century later
 

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I'm another Chi local and totally agree with Old Harry and Fantasie 19.

Two points I'd add are:

Most of the time the water around Dell Quay, just south of the Apuldrum Sewerage works meets clean beach swimming standards.

Although Southern Water are a victim of insane levels of house building they are a statutory consultee in the planning process and they never seem to object to developments. Andrew Frost head of Chichester District Council Planning Services actually wrote to Southern Water making that point.

I have been involved with the forward planning process in Hampshire for the last 13 years :cry::sleep: In Hampshire an area covering bounded by Hayling, Havant Petersfield over to Winchester Eastleigh and down to the western side of Southampton 100,000 extra housing units are going in and the Govt still doesnt think that will be enough. so we are now looking at a 2nd round of figures being handed out :mad::mad:

Southern Water is a statutory consultee yes......... but any developer has the legal right to connect to the sewer network for discharge of foul drainage from their development, they cannot say No. Surface water has to be seperately dealt with. They have handed out dividends to share holders when really the infrastructure needs massive upgrading and divi's should have been cut.

There £90M fine will help focus minds in the whole industry but actually it does deplete cash flow for infrastructure improvements.
 

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Most sewage treatment plants cannot cope with huge storm flows, and go into by-pass mode. If stormwater (roof and gutter water) is connected into the sewerage system, the storm flows can be an order of magnitude greater than the average dry weather flow. New homes can have separate systems, so the proportion of new homes in the system can actually be beneficial.
Condoms, wet wipes and ear sticks should never be put in the toilet.
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Condoms, wet wipes and ear sticks should never be put in the toilet.
This is the sort of thing that stops real progress. Rather than addressing the problem that it's impossible to make nearly 70 million people act responsibly, we pointlessly try to educate rather than innovate. This is the same industry that tells us there is a shortage of water on a planet covered in the stuff rather than introducing better more modern methods of delivering the water. It's a completely broken industry that needs a total overhaul.
 

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This is the sort of thing that stops real progress. Rather than addressing the problem that it's impossible to make nearly 70 million people act responsibly, we pointlessly try to educate rather than innovate. This is the same industry that tells us there is a shortage of water on a planet covered in the stuff rather than introducing better more modern methods of delivering the water. It's a completely broken industry that needs a total overhaul.
I am not a fan of attacking the poster, but clearly you are not an engineer and have no idea of the problems and challenges facing the water industry. So you are saying individuals have a right to pollute, and service providers should just deal with it?
 

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I am not a fan of attacking the poster, but clearly you are not an engineer and have no idea of the problems and challenges facing the water industry. So you are saying individuals have a right to pollute, and service providers should just deal with it?
I’m saying nothing of the sort. What I’m saying is that it’s not beyond the wit of man to create a solution that addresses the problem. Water companies act as though the best technology we have is a pipe. I actually know quite a lot about the water industry and I know quite a few ways it could be improved. They also assume the only solution is a centralised infrastructure and that’s simply not the case.
 

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I count myself amongst the activists on this matter and am a member of the mentioned Hayling Sewage Watch.

Last summer I anchored off Pilsey at the bottom of the Thorney Channel, I was the only one onboard who went for a swim and the only one who woke at midnight with flu like sweats, had the :poop:s and stomach cramps for the next four days. From my perspective things should have moved on and we should expect better standards of service from the water companies, whilst achieving significant income my view is the rate of investment in infrastructure improvement to deal with the problem is massively behind the curve, they talk about future targets, but there seems to be little will either from Southern Water or from the politicians to make anything happen faster. At the sametime these companies achieve substantial profits for their investors and shareholders. Southern Water has just been sold, I'd like to think the new owners might improve things but their previous involvements with Thames Water might suggest the opposite. Having been ill was surprised at the little interest from the various politicians, local authorities and harbour conservancy.

The excuse often quoted is 'storm overflows' but quite often there hasn't been any significant rain and sometimes the safe seas app lights up with warnings when there hasn't been rain for days. The number of occasions that raw :poop: is pumped into the harbour run into the 100s of days per year and hence it is a significant number of hours. If you read the details in the article it says in 2020 for 635 hours Southern Water pumped sewage from Thornham into the harbour, that would equates to 26 days of continuous pumping and then I think there are two other works that pump into the harbour. Once you have been ill from this and look into the extent of the :poop: issue, it changes your perspective, it certainly changed mine.

Yes :poop: happens but it shouldn't be pumped into the sea as often as it is. I am a lot more careful where I swim in the sea these days, I'd probably not swim in Chichester harbour ever again.
 

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I'm with Lustyd on this. Yes, people should be responsible, but they aren't, so any plan or process that relies on that is doomed to failure. That doesn't just apply to what sewage treatment has to deal with, it applies to everything. You have to plan for how things are, not how you think they ought to be.

However, Southern Water does appear to have put profits before performance for years, and I'm sure they aren't the only ones. To my mind the idea of utilities making a profit is just wrong, because shareholders are shareholders to take money out of the company, when it should be being ploughed back into the infrastructure. I'm not going to see them renationalised any time soon, but I do hope to see their feet held to the fire until they sort out the issues so that, even with more rainstorms due to climate change, overflows of sewage should be the absolute exception, and a report should be published every time it happens to explain what exceptional event caused it. "It was a 100 year storm" is OK, "We had some heavy rain" should have directors forfeiting their bonuses.
 
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