Change of views

[sailaboutvic]

I have never seen a chandler on a pontoon?

that where it need to be if it only takes you five mins
it takes me longer then that to open two lockers undo and remove the bottle , close the lockers and step onto the pontoon .
putting this all to one side , the thread about how people views change over time .
maybe when they start to charge £50 for a refill your view will also change .

 

[RunAgroundHard]

that where it need to be if it only takes you five mins
it takes me longer then that to open two lockers undo and remove the bottle , close the lockers and step onto the pontoon .
putting this all to one side , the thread about how people views change over time .
maybe when they stay to charge £50 for a refill your view will also change .

No it doesn't. I unclip the tie downs, lift the empty bottle out, step ashore and walk up the link span to the chandlers. Less than 5 minutes. You are wrong in the assumptions you make about my boat.

I gave my reasons in my first post why I find it easier to exchange than refill. I also supported your point of view in my first post. I am just saying that your justification for filling from your home bottle, lower cost and ease of filling, I assume, is not applicable for some others, my case being an example in point.

 

[sailaboutvic]

No it doesn't. I unclip the tie downs, lift the empty bottle out, step ashore and walk up the link span to the chandlers. Less than 5 minutes. You are wrong in the assumptions you make about my boat.

I gave my reasons in my first post why I find it easier to exchange than refill. I also supported your point of view in my first post. I am just saying that your justification for filling from your home bottle, lower cost and ease of filling, I assume, is not applicable for some others, my case being an example in point.

Cool no problem

 

[Iliade]

 

[Porthandbuoy]

I have two 4.5kg cylinders in my boat. Cylinder #1 ran out early in the season and no Calor stockist (ha!) had a replacement. I spent £53 on a 15kg cylinder and a few quid more on hoses and fittings, and filled my empty 4.5.
Cylinder #2 ran out last week. Again no replacement to be found locally, so filled that one.
It’s not a question of money though, it’s all about convenience. A Camping Gaz cylinder is just too small to last any length of time and two 6kg propane cylinders won’t fit the locker.
Is it legal? If Calor want their cylinders back they can always ask.
Is it safe? Provided you do the filling outside it’s probably no more dangerous than swapping cylinders on the boat.

 

[lustyd]

If Calor want their cylinders back they can always ask.

They have asked. Unfortunately for them they already broke the contract by not supplying gas for several years so I consider it to be void.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

The fate of some Calor bottles: -

 

[Babylon]

That took less time to make than it took Vic to get a refill ashore...!

 

[sailaboutvic]

Is it safe? Provided you do the filling outside it’s probably no more dangerous than swapping cylinders on the boat.

You correct , as long as you wear gloves and don’t have a fag hanging out of you mouth the most that will happen is you release a little gas in the air ,
some people risk asses every part of they life’s , don’t they know life all about risk
personally I think life be very boring if there wasn’t risk involved, which is one reason I sail rather then take up bolls .
and on a that note I’m off to do some thing really Risky ,
GO SHOPPING .

 

[FairweatherDave]

You are right about the change in views sailaboutvic! I avidly consumed the bottle refilling fear threads of the past, and now that is what I do. But the calor 4.5 kg demise changed the goal posts and the amount and quality of the information on the Internet have made it straight forward. I'm still grateful for the fear threads as it is a job I take a lot of care over.....an overfull cylinder is still a dangerous thing. But I do get pleasure beating the system in PBO style and saving a bit of money.

 

[rogerthebodger]

We have become a fear averse security with risk assessment for every action.

When I started work in the UK I would sit on the back of a truck to go from the factory I worked to my Fathers works.

Now that is not allowed in the UK why due to the perceived risk and or the risk of being sued

One consideration that is not always taken into account is the knowledge and experience of the person doing the wok.

The other issue is that there are people who don't have the knowledge and experience who cock things up and damage themselves or some one else

The most dangerous part of my sailing is driving the 800km in my car on public roads to my boat from home

some peoples perceptions change when they understand more about what they are doing

 

[Graham376]

When I started work in the UK I would shit on the back of a truck to go from the factory I worked to my Fathers works.

I bet no-one wanted to sit next to you

 

[rogerthebodger]

I bet no-one wanted to sit next to you

There was so much shit in the back of the trucks anyway I tripped over and broke my arm once

 

[RunAgroundHard]

There was so much shit in the back of the trucks anyway I tripped over and broke my arm once

Basically your saying that for the sake of whatever weird logic you are applying, it is okay to allow workers to be injured in the back of trucks with “so much shit”.

You don’t have clue. No worker should be injured or killed because of the lack of simple controls.

165 of a close friends fellow workers were killed because of attitudes like yours. Your logic is based on ignorance.

 

[Graham376]

Basically your saying that for the sake of whatever weird logic you are applying, it is okay to allow workers to be injured in the back of trucks with “so much shit”.

You don’t have clue. No worker should be injured or killed because of the lack of simple controls.

165 of a close friends fellow workers were killed because of attitudes like yours. Your logic is based on ignorance.

As an employer, I had to pay careful attention to employees safety but, not at work, I could and still can choose whether to take a risk myself or not. Unfortunately, self employed workers no longer have the choice, they're bound by often overkill rules enforced by people who in most cases have never done the job themselves.