Centaur Well Saga

Uricanejack said:
basic insurance law. The insurer cannot refuse to pay 3rd party liability.
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That's what I thought. However not correct, as I queried recently. The absolute liability to pay out seems to be specific to motor vehicle insurance.
Boat insurance policies - using varying words but they all do it - dump their liability in case of (e.g.) recklessness by the insured.
Recklessness is not defined but could possibly include cutting a large hole in the bottom of a boat?
Alternatively knowing use of an unseaworthy vessel? (I'm not saying it would be, but they might.)
 
Boats are designed as an integrated whole and their strength and stiffness etc. are dependent on that integrity being maintained. Not only is dear Dylan putting himself into danger but providing an insurer with an instant get out even for 3rd party claims therefore Dylan or his estate would be personally liable which might be dear :).
 
Paddingtonbear said:
Boats are designed as an integrated whole and their strength and stiffness etc. are dependent on that integrity being maintained. Not only is dear Dylan putting himself into danger but providing an insurer with an instant get out even for 3rd party claims therefore Dylan or his estate would be personally liable which might be dear :).
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Enough with the insurance scaremongering already. What is this, Mumsnet? At the very most he'll need to find a surveyor to check that the work has been done well.
 
I don't understand all this "You're cutting a hole in your boat, it's going to collapse and sink and the sky is falling!"

It's not going to be just a hole. It's going to be a hole, reinforced by a 1 ft high minimum, 25-35mm thick vertical box section.
It's quite likely that the "hole" will be stronger and more rigid than before, assuming that it's stuck well enough to the hull, and I expect that's what the West's boffin is there to ensure.
 
Well

if I had to escape from Nazi's invading France I'd give it a go ( hopefully allowing time for the epoxy to set ) but otherwise I'd just worry about seacocks, which is why my boat doesn't have any, does have a designed in from the start well though ! :)
 
Don't worry someone'll be along in a minute to advise on the benefits of an inboard... it's been at least a half dozen posts since the last one... :rolleyes:

In the meanwhile, can we concentrate on finding Dylan a Centaur to cut up?? I'm looking forward to the project!
 
Fantasie 19 said:
Don't worry someone'll be along in a minute to advise on the benefits of an inboard... it's been at least a half dozen posts since the last one... :rolleyes:

In the meanwhile, can we concentrate on finding Dylan a Centaur to cut up?? I'm looking forward to the project!
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yes please

if anyone knows of any candidate boats

snaps and email to

dylan.winter@virgin.net most gratefully recieved

I want one with keels that have been fixed, dry stored sails - and that is about it

aiming for £1500

I have been duck punting today but am amazed to find these threads still rolling

one has headed off into arguments about van versus lawnmower engines

the other is about submarines docking on Centaurs

this seems to have more or less stayed on course

so please try to find me a candidate boat

that aside... I have been doing some maths

you can buy 315mm HDPE pipe that will fit the leg of an outboard

so assuming that our man from Wessex resins can stick HDPE to old GRP

the well would accommodate a column of water 315mm in diameter and 400mm tall

anyone like to have a guess at the loss of bouyancy from cutting a well in the back of a Centaur cockpit

I did the maths and came up with a figure that was in Labrador equivalents

given that a labrador weighs 25kg

of course when the engine goes you are chucking out about 250 kg - or ten labradors

so some ballasting will be required

although a few calculations will tell you how much she will shift on her lines

(an astonishingly small amount)

incidentally, I am amazed at some of the comments

clearly one or two people have no idea how a well works

if you can think about a centre plate case in a dinghy then that might help a little

by some of the comments it seems that a few have utterly failed to understand the concept and seem to think entirely in terms of the sort of physics you only see in Popeye cartoons

I also came across this lovely shot of a Centaur cockpit

here it is

lot of space there to play with I reckon

http://www.western-horizon.co.uk/boat_images/751.jpg

and here is an engine well - closer to the transom than I envisage....

http://www.matildaowners.com/articles/outboardwell/cockpit.jpg

righto

all comments and suggestions considered

but please keep you eyes open for the right boat

the man from Wessex Resins is an East Coast sailer so the closer to Essex the better
 
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Quote Originally Posted by chrisbitz

The same happened with the sunken trawler, there were posters that very strongly said it will NEVER even float again... And then the went all quiet when it floated and was taken away..



Daydream believer said:
& where is it now????
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Are you referring to a post I haven't seen?
I believe it was floated away and is now being refitted somewhere. Do you know more about it?
 
Nice Centaur picture - bet you won't get that one for £1500! Don't know if anyone has mentioned this as I can't remember all the posts but looking at that cockpit it occurred to me that there might be space in the lockers at the rear of the cockpit. I know it would be offset but some boats have their outboards fitted there and it keeps the cockpit clear.
 
Tam Lin said:
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this as I can't remember all the posts but looking at that cockpit it occurred to me that there might be space in the lockers at the rear of the cockpit. I know it would be offset but some boats have their outboards fitted there and it keeps the cockpit clear.
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Lockers both sides... two wells; save on buying the big 10hp engine, just get another matching 6hp Tohatsu and have the world's first twin outboard Centaur! You could do all kinds of excellent vectoring with that! ;)

(before anyone takes that seriously, I jest. Great mental image though....)
 
Tam Lin said:
Nice Centaur picture - bet you won't get that one for £1500! Don't know if anyone has mentioned this as I can't remember all the posts but looking at that cockpit it occurred to me that there might be space in the lockers at the rear of the cockpit. I know it would be offset but some boats have their outboards fitted there and it keeps the cockpit clear.
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I am sure I will not get one as nice as that....

the well will have to be on the centre line of the boat

it keeps things simple and I really want that prop wash blasting onto the rudder

plus the easy access to the engine

incidentally can anyone point me to images of the older style of rudder

D
 
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