prv
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That's true of the masthead shrouds at the gunwale, but people were talking about the forward lowers on the cabin top.
Pete
Centaur baby stay
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That's true of the masthead shrouds at the gunwale, but people were talking about the forward lowers on the cabin top.
Pete
Lodds
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The photo in this post although not really of the subject matter does show just how thinking "Out of the box" can pay dividends, this type of thing is truly inspirational.
He also seems to have a roller reefing main on a separate inner mast. Wonder how quickly he can get it up and down?
On the Norfolk Broads their sailing boats have a counter weight jobby to get them under the very low bridges; can't see any in the picture. That rules out sailing down the Thames with it!
He also seems to have a roller reefing main on a separate inner mast. Wonder how quickly he can get it up and down?
On the Norfolk Broads their sailing boats have a counter weight jobby to get them under the very low bridges; can't see any in the picture. That rules out sailing down the Thames with it!
UncleAlbert
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Very well, but the wheels do need replacing every couple of years as they get a bit of a beating from time to time as well as being uv sensitive ( I guess that built in replacement by plasticomo or whoever does 'em.
I am a great user of Softy Shackles.
Tam Lin
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Was out this afternoon and had trouble again. Maybe it is my technique. When dinghy sailing I always used to wait until the boom came over before releasing the jib and continue to use this method. Perhaps I don't need to on the Centaur. Will it turn through the wind if the Genoa is already freed up?
Uncle Albert, what is the name of the rollers and where do you get them?
UncleAlbert
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These are they http://www.baysidemarine.co.uk/sailguard-wheel-pair-963-p.asp
Should be obtainable from marine store in you local town here on the East . Took me a while to find a link ( any link ) as I could not think of a way of describing them. Others here who have more organised minds will of course not have that trouble .
I dont have any trouble making through the wind with my Centaur as she is so rudder sensitive and responsive to the tiller.
Should be obtainable from marine store in you local town here on the East . Took me a while to find a link ( any link ) as I could not think of a way of describing them. Others here who have more organised minds will of course not have that trouble .
I dont have any trouble making through the wind with my Centaur as she is so rudder sensitive and responsive to the tiller.
PetiteFleur
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Since sailing Tam Lin this year I have found when tacking, especially in light winds, the Genoa sheets catch on the
Babystay. At the moment they are fastened to the sail with a shackle, which also catches. Will be thinking of ways to correct this over the winter.[/QUOTE]
One way to get over this problem of the genoa sheets cathing on the babystay is to have a sheet twice as long as normal and tie it to the clew with a bowline in the centre of this double length sheet. It works very well and rarely snags. Make sure you add 3 disposeable short lengths of say 10mm 3 strand rope in the bights of the knot so it can be easily undone at layup time. Used on a Moody 33.
Babystay. At the moment they are fastened to the sail with a shackle, which also catches. Will be thinking of ways to correct this over the winter.[/QUOTE]
One way to get over this problem of the genoa sheets cathing on the babystay is to have a sheet twice as long as normal and tie it to the clew with a bowline in the centre of this double length sheet. It works very well and rarely snags. Make sure you add 3 disposeable short lengths of say 10mm 3 strand rope in the bights of the knot so it can be easily undone at layup time. Used on a Moody 33.
dylanwinter
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One way to get over this problem of the genoa sheets cathing on the babystay is to have a sheet twice as long as normal and tie it to the clew with a bowline in the centre of this double length sheet. It works very well and rarely snags. Make sure you add 3 disposeable short lengths of say 10mm 3 strand rope in the bights of the knot so it can be easily undone at layup time. Used on a Moody 33.[/QUOTE]
Much longer sheets with a dead simple knot in the middle will help
I just shove a loop through the hole in the sail and bring the other two sheets through it. I know there are people who will say that this will eventually slip result in instant death but it soon tightens to buggery and will not move
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeEAGJf6RhE
- although on Harmony she had two separate sheets with simple bowlines on them
also the boat will tack under its own inertia - so I think that you need to release the genoa earlier.
there is a light wind tack at 2.30 in this film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ok-dRs33g
harmony had a plastic pipe around the baby stay.
JumbleDuck
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When I started sailing my Hunter 490 I found the baby stay a real pain, partly because the jib caught on it and partly because it cluttered the already tiny foredeck. So I got rid of it. Luckily that was easy, because it was a later addition to the boat so all I had to do was swap the shrouds back to their original configuration, with inners beside the mast and outers going back a bit.
Lodds
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Not wanting to correct Seajet but this is something I put on and not the rigger.
I read something on the WOA forum regarding using some plumbing tubing to help with the problem i was having. I went to Wickes and got some plastic 15mm white pushfit pipe and installed it. It has for the most part as helped stop the bowlines on the foresail from catching on the babystay. The idea is that when the bowlines get caught the tube rolls and releases the bowlines on their way.
I read something on the WOA forum regarding using some plumbing tubing to help with the problem i was having. I went to Wickes and got some plastic 15mm white pushfit pipe and installed it. It has for the most part as helped stop the bowlines on the foresail from catching on the babystay. The idea is that when the bowlines get caught the tube rolls and releases the bowlines on their way.
Iliade
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The angle on the twin lowers fitted to the german boat is about half that of the original babystay. Thus the tension on those stays would be very much greater than double that of the original single stay and hence the massive chainplates. I'm not sure about the integrity of the windows afterwards though, especially since Westerly had issues with this themselves in the early boats.
I would love to do just this to Sevenem if it's proven to work, but I really don't want to find I've just created a folding mast and convertible heads compartment...
I would love to do just this to Sevenem if it's proven to work, but I really don't want to find I've just created a folding mast and convertible heads compartment...
Tam Lin
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Thanks for the advice guys, the forum at its best!
Lodds
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That's worth a try, and if it works well then perhaps there will be no need to alter anything.
Thanks appreciate the tip
Seajet
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Lodds,
sorry I thought a rigger had done it.
I do know that if you went for the forward lower shrouds you'd beef up the attachment points - be they to coachroof or deck - as A, you don't skimp on doing things right, B, we've already discussed this...
As you say this may be all you need to do, but I was rather hoping you'd go for the self tacker and big sail on a roller, not least as well as it seeming a very handy rig, it's always nice watching experiments like this when someone else is paying !
Tam Lin,
yes the Centaur ( my Dad had a good late one too ) does carry her way through stays when tacking, so doesn't seem to need letting the jib back to blow the bows round, so one can let the sheets go a bit before that - in moderate winds anyway, may well need the aback treatment beating in strong conditions.
Lodds
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Yes I know; remember, I have been to a couple of chandlers with you. :friendly_wink:I was rather hoping you'd go for the self tacker and big sail on a roller, not least as well as it seeming a very handy rig, it's always nice watching experiments like this when someone else is paying !
Thoughts are now along the line of doing away with the Bowlines connecting the two sheets to the Clew and have one continuous line running through the clew from one side to the other. Question now is what type of knot will suffice?
I'm sure that there are a number of people out there with knot fetish that can come up with something. Or another idea that would have the same effect.
I like the idea of very long line with bowlines halfway down but I fear that this may cause a bit of a mess in the cockpit area, or is this thought nonsense?
xeitosaphil
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I may have miss understood the post, but I thought the suggestion was to take one full length of sheet and make a bowline the middle of it, incorporating the sail Clew into the knot?
That way the knot would connect the two halves of the sheet together with the loop of the bowline encasing the Clew.
If that’s the case the sheets would have the same amount of length in the cockpit as two separate ones, but with only half a bowline on each sheet at the sail Clew which reduces the volume of knot to pass the baby stay.
Or have I got it wrong?
As to people using one long sheet, I think they use a simple Cow Hitch half way along it at the sail Clew?
Philip
Lodds
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Thanks Philip, having reread the post you are of course quite right.:redface-new::redface-new:
UncleAlbert
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Or instead of the bowline, insert a seriously whip a thimble into the mid point of the long sheet and use a softy shackle to attach to the clew. Even less bulk to pass the baby stay.
Other wise the cow-hitch is also minimalist but can be a 'cow' to undo at the end of the season.
Other wise the cow-hitch is also minimalist but can be a 'cow' to undo at the end of the season.
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JumbleDuck
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On my last boat I had that but with a Wichard key pin shackle (didn't have soft shackles in those days, lad). One had to be a wee bit cautious if the shackle was flailing around, but it made sail changes a doddle.
xeitosaphil
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I think I will also use one of these options when it's time to renew my sheets as I also have a baby stay, and with a 135% Genoa it can be a right PITA at times.
I suppose I could get some soft eyes put in my current single sheets,( if they are not too tight to splice) and use a soft shackle for the time being, that might be an improvement.
It is Just one of those jobs you mean to get around to at the beginning of the season then forget about until now. :encouragement:
Philip
