Catholics and sailing

[MapisM]

And the winner is... pasta_simon !!!

...who recognized this thread as the most esoteric of 2007 even before it started to develop...

 

[oldharry]

Rabbie I agree entirely - to say that an 'entirely imaginary entity' is awesome, is indeed rubbish.

 

[celandine]

 

[DavenHelen]

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unlike the Masons liturgy


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Masonic <u>Ritual</u> is available at all good bookshops......

 

[oldharry]

The unthinking mans response.....

 

[john_morris_uk]

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If your boat is British Registered, as master of a British Registered ship you are legally empowered to officiate at acts of worship held on board, so you are legally entitled to preside over your own mass on board.
Therefore, no problem. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Sadly not true. Well the first bit might be, but the celebrate mass bit isn't.

 

[Lizzie_B]

So what do all the crews of merchant ships from third world catholic countries (or closer to home - smaller RN warships )do. They don't carry priests on board! I think there is probably some kind of papal dispensation. There certainly was in the last war. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

 

[Dyflin]

I sailed with Filipino crew in the MN and when in port in the UK we'd get a visit from these guys:
http://www.stellamaris.net/~great-britain/


They'd be used to answering this type of question OP.

 

[Nickel]

The Mass is the central liturgy of the Catholic Church, expressing most completely what we believe about Jesus and who we are as a community. For that reason, if one is a practising Catholic you would expect to attend Mass and sacrifice that hour a week to make at least that statement of faith.
However, this has to be taken in the context of the reality of life - particularly for a merchant sea-man. If there's no priest on board, then he doesn't have a Mass that he can possibly attend, so is excused any possible obligation. The Church would recommend that those Catholics on board get together for some appropriately prayerful time, probably reading the Liturgy of the Word.
Applying this to sailing as a leisure activity is where there's a bit of self-honesty required. If time, tide, weather window, safety etc require you to be sailing throughout Sunday, I've always taken the view that I can excuse myself that week - but as someone earlier said, this probably couldn't reasonably, in conscience, be extended to a race around the cans on a Sunday.
The Catholic Church is often much criticised for her rules and laws. My favourite Canon Law is the very last one, which basically says:
"For the salvation of souls, all of the above may be ignored".

 

[Rabbie]

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"For the salvation of souls, all of the above may be ignored".



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Oh well, thats a relief! Pour me another Guinness Father.

 

[Nickel]

Guinness it is - God's own drink! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[arfa]

Ahh Guinness, the answer to so many of life's questions....
For any theologians out there subscribing to non politicised Christianity, the question I would ask is whether it would really matter if you went sailing on Sunday but lived your life as a Christian ?
Anyway who cares I am off sailing when the sun shines and the wind blows (once a year then, like my religion....)

 

[StugeronSteve]

As a non politicised Christian, with an interest in Theology, I have to say that I'm pretty sure that the God that I know and love isn't particularly worried whether we are Christians or not. All that does matter is that we try to be Christ like. And according to Luke 7:34, a good few of us have made a promising start /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[PeteMylett]

I went to a Catholic school. One day when I was about 13 the priest stood in front of the class and said "Boys when you have thoughts, think of something else"

And that was the sum total of my sex education....

 

[jhr]

Mrs jhr was at a Convent school for a year or so - though she's not a Catholic. She learned, during that time, that holding hands with boys led to unwanted babies.

And that was the sum total of hers....

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[flaming]

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If time, tide, weather window, safety etc require you to be sailing throughout Sunday, I've always taken the view that I can excuse myself that week - but as someone earlier said, this probably couldn't reasonably, in conscience, be extended to a race around the cans on a Sunday.

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So essentially your religion asks you to sacrifice the time to do what you find fun and interesting in return for the ticket to a better place?

And here's the dilema. If (insert name of religion here) is right, and there is a god and we do get judged based on church attendance then all those who spent their Sundays (or other sabbath) doing whatever they do for fun are in trouble.

And if there isn't then all those who spent their time in church on Sundays missed out on 1/2 of their availiable leisure time every week of their working life in the only chance they will get.

Taking all bets now....

 

[john_morris_uk]

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So what do all the crews of merchant ships from third world catholic countries (or closer to home - smaller RN warships )do. They don't carry priests on board! I think there is probably some kind of papal dispensation. There certainly was in the last war. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

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I can only tell you the RN regulations and dispensations.

Firstly, if regularly receiving the sacrament is important to a Roman Catholic on board, the reserved sacrament is sometimes carried on board ships without a priest. A lay person is authorised to communicate people at a weekly service.

For ships with a protestant or Anglican chaplain, Rome has issued a special dispensation for Catholics to receive from a eucharist celebrated by the 'non Catholic' chaplain.

There is also a dispensation for 'other denominations' to receive from a RC Chaplain if he is the only one on board.

In the bizzarre world of Church politics, this only applies to (RN) ships amd submarines at sea.

 

[Slowtack]

I used to be an agnostic, but now I'm not so sure................

 

[Nickel]

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So essentially your religion asks you to sacrifice the time to do what you find fun and interesting in return for the ticket to a better place?

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No - I don't go to Mass for a single pearly ticket - I go to Mass, because celebrating my faith is a part of who and what I am. Given that faith expresses our relationship with God, it's more akin to spending time with friends and family than queuing at a ticket booth. One spends time with friends and family because one wants to, even though that might cut into time you'd otherwise spend doing something else.

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If (insert name of religion here) is right, and there is a god and we do get judged based on church attendance then all those who spent their Sundays (or other sabbath) doing whatever they do for fun are in trouble.

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But I don't believe we will - it is how we live that is important.

 

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read that again. And deleted it.