Can you see where you are going ?

[Whitelighter]

What I love about narrow channels and dingies is this:

Me - £6000 worth of mechanical stern gear dangling about 1 metre below the surface and a whole world of hurt if I touch the bottom

Dingy - Dagger board that can be lifted easily and shallower draft with better manouverability.

I have said it before, I would display 'vessel with retricted ability to manouver' day marks in channels but

a) it should be bleeding obvious. I do give way to sail where possible but the power gives way to sail rule seems to be the only mantra some sailors are taught.

b) I doubt most would recognise the day marks anyway

And yes, I am a horrible nasty stinky but before I get lambasted please remember I spent 15 years sailing before hand (and never tacked into anyone in a narrow channel shouting 'racing, RACING!')

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

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b) I doubt most would recognise the day marks anyway



[/ QUOTE ]Sadly, I suspect you are absolutely right......

 

[rickp]

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I have said it before, I would display 'vessel with retricted ability to manouver' day marks in channels but

a) it should be bleeding obvious. I do give way to sail where possible but the power gives way to sail rule seems to be the only mantra some sailors are taught.

b) I doubt most would recognise the day marks anyway

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c) You can only be 'restricted in ability to manoevre' by nature of your work....

Rick

 

[Whitelighter]

Sorry.

Will see you at the pub on Weds and you can chatise me properly then

 

[fireball]

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Dingy - Dagger board that can be lifted easily and shallower draft with better manouverability.

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Erm - better manouverability - when you've lifted the daggerboard or centerboard .... not always!!

Don't forget - you've got one of them depth guage things - or if really rich /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif .... a forward looking sonar that'll tell you the depth coming up.... dinghies don't have that - so have to rely on their local knowledge so they don't run aground .... the centerboard ones may use the touch and go technique - but even that can be dodgy ....

 

[tome]

Missed the action, nice one! Guessed you were moored to be drinking beer at such a time of national chest-beating

Second one wasn't the spray but sadly that it's not uncommon to see a yacht tack without the helm first looking to see if he'll be clear on the new course. Probably never look behind either. I'd guess he was a novice - you get it wrong badly once and suddenly you are a born-again lookout for the rest of your days

You were probably his future salvation!

 

[pheonix]

"I was having a beer at the time and didnt really notice him until it was too late and the collision was inevitable."
just like any responsible mariner
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[DAKA]

Hang on, he hit me !

Bang in the middle of my PORT side.

 

[roger]

This area of Colregs is difficult because ..

1. Vssels in sight of one another. The "stand on" vesel shall hold her course and speed. -- not "do a tack and cause a collision situation".
Anyone "tacking just for devilment" must be in the wrong.
2. In a narrow channel a big power boat or yacht will quite possibly be "constrined by her draft" and could reasonably display the appropriate signal.
3. In narrow channels the situation can develop very fast. It's very likely that the vessel "receiving" the tack will have insufficient time to assess the situation ad make a change in course safely.

 

[Dave_Snelson]

I found just that problem on my 8 hour sail last weekend. I hadn't realised just how restricted a yacht skipper's view is when the Genoa or Spinnaker is flying - the Genny being the worst (on a Moody anyway)

 

[Dave_Snelson]

Yes - happened to us two weekends ago. The sudden turning speed of a yacht is actually quite dramatic. This guys just hadn't seen CI approaching at about 25 kts. Got the shock of his life as we appeared into view!

 

[Dave_Snelson]

Slightly too simplistic and seems to "gloss over" one or two COLREGS - hm?

 

[Dave_Snelson]

Interpreting COLREGS to suit an argument is never a good idea. How about keeping a good watch? Vital under sail or power!

 

[Bilgediver]

DAy MArks........wots they???????

Once adv anced from level two to Sunday flits around the cans there is only one colreg for racing boats.......I have right of way over everyother vessel except a bigger yacht in the same race which is on Starboard tack. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[Bilgediver]

Interpreting COLREGS to suit an argument is never a good idea. How about keeping a good watch? Vital under sail or power!
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You forgot about excersizing powers of anticitpation and telepathy /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[hornblower]

I think that misses the point - by standing on a yacht under sail is obeying the collision regulations.

 

[fireball]

Unless the yacht isn't the stand on vessel - in which case the skipper is contravening the colregs... which is exactly the point.

 

[Dave_Snelson]

Ah yes, telepathy. Does that get better or worse whilst drinking a can of beer?

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[hornblower]

My understanding was that there was yacht under sail and a power driven vessel - am I wrong? if so I apologise - otherwise unless the power driven vessel has special restrictions ie by her draft or restricted in her ability to manouvre or engaged in trawling etc, she is the give way vessel.

 

[gandy]

Daka's didn't provide all the info in his first post, probably had more fun that way.

Later on he suggests that he was proceeding along a narrow channel at the time of one of the incidents. If that's the case then I believe the sailing boat was obliged to "not impede" him, without any need for him to show any signals.