Building a new replica or ....

[Concerto]

Possibly this article about HMS Victory could provide an answer to the original question.
https://www.hms-victory.com/restoration-log/original-significant-or-both

 

[Wansworth]

Thanks for that,very interesting

 

[westernman]

Possibly this article about HMS Victory could provide an answer to the original question.
https://www.hms-victory.com/restoration-log/original-significant-or-both

This is a little different as it is a static museum display.

Now if it was to be actually used and sailed, then they would have to put an engine in it, some generators, a holding tank and .......

 

[JumbleDuck]

The Waverley does not operate under 1947 safety rules, she operates under current regulations.

Back on topic, even the Waverley is a new build ...

As well as he changes listed, all the above-deck structure of the Waverley was replaced with an aluminium replica some time ago (probably that 2000-3 rebuild) to enable her to meet modern stability requirements.

 

[Keen_Ed]

I think the only original bits of Boadicea are a couple of bits of the deadwood. She’s still the Boadicea, built 1808.

 

[JumbleDuck]

I think the only original bits of Boadicea are a couple of bits of the deadwood. She’s still the Boadicea, built 1808.

I have a car of which the only original parts are one door frame, the windscreen wiper switch and the front suspension units. I take the view that when things are replaced they absorb the identity of the car, so as long as you don;t change too much at once it's still the same.

 

[rotrax]

Many years ago an aquaintance who worked at the Oxford University Engineering Department, then based at the old power station by the river at Osney purchased the hire bicycles of a leading Oxford dealer who hired said bicycles, by the term, to students. He refurbished and sold them, pocketing a tidy profit.

He was left with a pile of bits. He had a couple of children growing up fast and using his skills made a minature Penny Farthing bicycle from two sets of front forks and a few bits of left over frame plus some handlebars and a saddle. IIRC a 3 speed Sturmey Archer hub gear locked solid worked the front wheel through a specially made hollow spindle. A thick coat of Valspar shiny black covered it.

His Father was a leading light in the local Agricultural Societies Steam and Vintage Engine section. The local Holton Steam Fair was on and so my friend, along with children and said bicycle met his father to take part in keeping an eye on an old Crosby open crank engine quietly thumping away pumping water or topping turnips for cattle feed. His kids were busy riding their new toy, a Penny Farthing bicycle.

Some American servicemen and their wives from the USAF base-also at Holton-exclaimed that it really was a cute 'ole bicycle and could he tell them when something so antique was actually made?

The reply was a classic of its kind.

" Now-was it Thursday or was it Friday? "

Needless to say it bought the best laugh of the day...........................

On a more serious note, the finest example-bar none-of a newly built wooden sailing vessel that I have ever seen is Naida, a Pinky Ketch built by Iain Tollhurst.

It was built from timber gleaned after the Michael Fish great storm of 1987 and took 22,500 hours of painstaking labour to build.

On our trip to the top end of Portsmouth Harbour over the high tide Saturday we passed her on the pontoon and said hallo.

It still looks great after nearly ten years of use.

 

[KINGFISHER 9]

That quote is plagarised from the late Bob Currie's book on British Racing Motorcycles:-

"The Triumph GP Model. The only racing motorcycle produced by the Triumph factory using a highly tuned engine based on the lightweight generator engine produced for the RAF. 200 were made of which about 250 have survived."

This was because they were built using mainly production parts which allowed the builing of replica's or fakes quite easily.

My old boss the Grand Prix rider Arthur Wheeler from Epsom had one. He said he made a chicken wire enclosure for the crankcases. When I asked why, he replied that it was to catch the bits when it invariably blew up.

I had a genuine one once-even had the test bed dyno sheets giving the power output on both high octane and pool petrol.

Be woth 25K plus today. I think I sold it in 1983 for 1500 quid.

Not plagiarised from anywhere ... there are many racing cars about which the same is claimed, not just Listers. Usually applying to 'works' cars or 'ex-famous driver' cars. Lotus, Brabham, Lola - particularly T70s, Jaguars - mainly D & C Types ... the classic racing car business is awash with 'fakes!' ... :encouragement:

 

[rotrax]

Not plagiarised from anywhere ... there are many racing cars about which the same is claimed, not just Listers. Usually applying to 'works' cars or 'ex-famous driver' cars. Lotus, Brabham, Lola - particularly T70s, Jaguars - mainly D & C Types ... the classic racing car business is awash with 'fakes!' ... :encouragement:

Having been around Vintage and Veteran cars and bikes all my life-my Maternal Grandfather was a well known Brooklands mechanic specialising in Riley cars-and having the major part of my working life heavily involved with it, long before it was worth faking anything, I can state here and now that Bob Curries writings on the subject were the first I ever read, by a long chalk. I have an extensive library and have read heavily about old racing kit of all types.

I am, by way of pure coincidence, one of the few to have ever sat in the drivers seat of a pre war supercharged Mercedese GP car.

And been invited to the Williams F1 Museum personally by FW himself.

I am also aware of the case where a famous race car was broken in two, each piece being sold as the real thing.....................................

My old mate Jim Claridge welded all Eric Broadly's Works Lola chassis, including the one John Surtees got his World Championship with the heavy but powerfull Honda engine.

I like to think I know a little about the subject.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Many years ago an aquaintance who worked at the Oxford University Engineering Department, then based at the old power station by the river at Osney ...

A pedant writes:

The Oxford engineering department has always been based at the junction of Parks Road and Banbury Road, initially in what is now he Jenkin Building (low brick), then the Thom (mini-skyscraper so ugly that the city council banned them thereafter), then the Holder, in between. The old power station was (maybe is) owned jointly by the engineering and physics departments and on the engineering side is where the wind tunnels are.

Yes, I need to get out more.

 

[rotrax]

A pedant writes:

The Oxford engineering department has always been based at the junction of Parks Road and Banbury Road, initially in what is now he Jenkin Building (low brick), then the Thom (mini-skyscraper so ugly that the city council banned them thereafter), then the Holder, in between. The old power station was (maybe is) owned jointly by the engineering and physics departments and on the engineering side is where the wind tunnels are.

Yes, I need to get out more.

You are very possibly correct. However the two who friends worked at the old power station made kit for mostly post grads to use in their leading edge experiments. Perhaps I should have said " worked for " and " at ".

They worked at the damp, draughty and fairly insanitary old power station because, at the time-mid seventies-that is where the lathes, mills, spark eroders and specialised machinery was.

They moved to the Parks Road site some years later.

 

[JumbleDuck]

You are very possibly correct. However the two who friends worked at the old power station made kit for mostly post grads to use in their leading edge experiments. Perhaps I should have said " worked for " and " at ".

They worked at the damp, draughty and fairly insanitary old power station because, at the time-mid seventies-that is where the lathes, mills, spark eroders and specialised machinery was.

They moved to the Parks Road site some years later.

This is perhaps getting a bit off-topic, but ... yes, I think the power station was used for a lot of stuff which moved to the Thom building when that was built.