Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot

[waynes world]

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Wayne

Dare I ask when you think you might get this boat out on the water. Or is that the million dollar question

Dennis

Well then.........first I wont hold my breath but you may hold yours. It will give me more incentive to finish sooner .

When I got it i planned on a 12 moth project...until i got it home that is and then at least double that after I started to clean it back and now I have looked over the hull ( BWL ) dam scary is all i will say for the minute.

I as most double or tripe these projects on time to completion and I am so glad i did. Things would of been a lot closer if it wasnt for a few hold ups like that darn leak in the cabin and me changing plans as i go. Not to mention boat fund being reduced due to work hours dropped.

At first I was going to get it on the water then fit it out, that does not work though, been there and done that.

Let see what has to be done to as complete as it can be ready for proper use.

1 Little wiring for gunnel lights
2 Bow needs insulating and lining and small cabin top area.
3 Fit cooker water heater and cabin heater.
4 Fit Gas lines and hot water pipe.
5 Build berth frame work and cupboard
6 Batteries and Wiring to be all connected up, cabin lights, Nav lights etc.
7 Clad interior and Heads.
8 Fettle the below waterline of hull.
9 More stern cleats and lower strakes ( maybe ) Paint.
10 Rear deck area to be finished as in clad sides and a few bits.
11 Fit steering and engine


That is roughly in order what needs doing.


Its doesnt look much but it is time and funds now. I have the engine which is a bonus but no trailer as yet.

If i was to say when it will be ready...............shall I temp fate..............nah

If I give a finish time do I win the Million Dollars

Hopefully, it will be a while off yet, sorry Wayne . As one of the best topics on this site will end once he drives off into the sunset.
Perhaps we should find Wayne another "plant pot" for when this one is completed :encouragement:.

Nice of you to say so ( best topics ) but i do hope to get it done this year.....oh see you jinxed it now.

The next one will be a much bigger boat. I am seeing if i can get a 30-35 footer down the side of the house for a good long term project.

(By the way SWMBO said to tell you where to go with mentioning another project lol ) Me I love the idea

 

[oGaryo]

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Just looked at the early pictures on page one again as it's hard to recall what a mess she was in before you got to work on her.. what an amazing job so far, I personally cannot wait to see the boat where she belongs, bobbing about somewhere wet and hopefully warm with a rightfully proud skipper at the helm

 

[Simonpk]

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For the trailer you could look at getting a caravan chassis, like Alko chassis, & converting it. It could work out cheaper and has never, hopefully, been dunked in salt water.

(By the way SWMBO said to tell you where to go with mentioning another project lol ) Me I love the idea

So that's another woman who's not speaking to me again, ever!

 

[waynes world]

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Just looked at the early pictures on page one again as it's hard to recall what a mess she was in before you got to work on her.. what an amazing job so far, I personally cannot wait to see the boat where she belongs, bobbing about somewhere wet and hopefully warm with a rightfully proud skipper at the helm

Scary them early pics hey.

Somewhere wet I can do but warm, possibly in the 2 weeks of amazing UK weather, I can only dream to take her to a better climate.

For the trailer you could look at getting a caravan chassis, like Alko chassis, & converting it. It could work out cheaper and has never, hopefully, been dunked in salt water.



So that's another woman who's not speaking to me again, ever!

Legally you cant build or Modifiy a trailer without an IVA ( VOSA ) check now. well that has been in a for a while. If i can get an old one to fettle I will do that.

 

[rafiki_]

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Scary them early pics hey.

Somewhere wet I can do but warm, possibly in the 2 weeks of amazing UK weather, I can only dream to take her to a better climate.





Legally you cant build or Modifiy a trailer without an IVA ( VOSA ) check now. well that has been in a for a while. If i can get an old one to fettle I will do that.

It depends on the age of the trailer. The regs came in around 2008 ish. Trailers built beforehand have no registration process or need for annual checks, unless over 3.5 tonnes. So if you go for an older caravan chassis then you should be ok.

 

[Bigplumbs]

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New boat trailers and quite reasonably priced in my view. Have a look at the main manufacturers to see the prices

 

[waynes world]

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New boat trailers and quite reasonably priced in my view. Have a look at the main manufacturers to see the prices

Not sure if reasonable is the word as they are around £4k for what need new. Will last a life time if looked after but as I have a limited budget of around £1k they are bit over my budget.

 

[oGaryo]

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it may be worth looking at this one if it is suitable

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SBS-Boat-Trailer-/152490342602?hash=item238121f8ca:g:WbYAAOSwSlBY3A2o

 

[waynes world]

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it may be worth looking at this one if it is suitable

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SBS-Boat-Trailer-/152490342602?hash=item238121f8ca:g:WbYAAOSwSlBY3A2o

Still well over budget. look a good one.

Trailers are big money all round. I used to build a few but smaller garden and builders trailers. More money in repairs and buying selling them though.

 

[waynes world]

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Been busy with bits n bobs , the interior is now near fully insulated and lined, the bow needs to be lined and the cabin top front area needs insulatoin and lining which i will be don soon as I have a week off work.......to do work lol. It will be on the boat though so I cant complain.



I am still trying to make my mind up on a water heater upto now it is a Morco F-11. I have spoke to my local BSC chap and he says I an can still fit a non room sealed water heater as the boat is still registered. H eis coming around in a few week when he is not to busy to see what I am upto with it and he will advice what to do and we will talk on the gas works etc.

Yesterday I got another compressor to run along side the one I have to get a better CFM, should bet around 23 CFM from both. Reason is I will be soda blasting the hull below the waterline as I know it needs a lot of work from when i stripped it back and soda blasting helps show the bad spots up easier than sanding



This is what I have been up to



Anchor locker near done. Filled made good. Not to bad but good enough for me.

A little primer to find areas tat need more of a fettle. Have to say though it wasnt to bad.

I did go and buy a Dremmel to do some detail work. I didnt get it for just that though but i need it for more up coming work.

I screwed block in again to support the cut out from earlier. Then smaller screws were used to support the cut out level with the new risen edge.

Once level the whole area was PVA Blued wiht three coats. I brushed this on this tie. It was such a warm day they coats set within five minutes.

I decided to make a full new hatch so four 650grm combo and a 350 grm CSM was laid up. A few inchs over size so again can be cut back to size.

I only left it for near an hour which was not long enough as you can see it bowed a little. Not a problem though as it will pull down when there catch is in place with hinges.



Underside

It still needs sanding down and finishing off yet.

That is as far as I got with that.

 

[waynes world]

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Now another job was the cleat for tying off the anchor line. I have fitted one. I say fitted not as yet fully fitted as I have lost the M14 bolt for the cleat.



This cleat i bought many years ago for another boat I had but decided not to fit it. Goes to show never through anything out hey.



I made a backing plate out of more 3mm SS i had left.

I need to find or decide on the bow roller yet. I am looking for one that will be high enough so the line goes over the locker edge. If i cant I will fit a small straight fair lead on a block to lift it higher if need be to clear it.



These arrived the other day one for the rear deck and other for the bilge etc

This is the deck hull fitting position. A bit low but the inlet will have a removable bung anyway. The original ater level is the level of the primer and I am reckoning the water level will be an inch or so higher wiht the extra weight i have added.

I have had to fit it here as the deck beams are central to where the ring hole is above the fitting.

This job I have been wanting to do for a long time now which is to finish the rear locker seats.

I used a spray gun for the PVA Blue for ease. three coats as always.

While it was drying i cut the 650grm combo and CSM. three combo and one 350grm CSM.

Weighed for getting the 2.5 times the resin needed

These are the rollers i use, cheap and cheerful does the job.

Zig making sure I do a proper job lol

All the gear needed to do the job....i think

and just slap it al on [​IMG]

Let it set and cut to size



The blue just washes of with water

The GRP was supported to raise it so it could be screwed down

Not the best with pics as I cant find the ones of the finished job. They are sealed with sikaflex and painted.



The acrylic arrived for th the hatch that I will be making next week. For some reason they sent two sheets in two different parcels but one had an invoice the other with out. Ah well a sheet of 8mm acrylic up [​IMG]

If i get half the to do list done I have for my week off I will get plenty done.

 

[waynes world]

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What did I do wrong from the start before I had this week off. I made plans on what I will get done, ah well got some done at least. I wasted 3-4 days due to problems at home so i could of got a whole lot more done.

I was doing about four jobs at once while things set a sin filler, paint, adhesive etc etc.

To start I got on with the anchor locker it is near done, not quite happy with it.


As the edges slope down they needed to built up for the hinges to sit flat. A little GRP filler does the trick here.

Here are the outer hings risers, a good 10mm thick, I used Filler here which is a bit brittle for screwing into, although the screws go through to the 8mm GRP of the boat. Undecided but i may make a mould from these risers then lay up GRP in the moulds then use them for better grip for the screws and also no cracking.

Little more filling to be here but it has the level needed.

Getting there, as you can see there is a little to be sanded back to get the hatch to sit flush.

So while i was faffing on the boat the locket hatch latch arrived.

Easy job, just a matter of a cut out and bolt in place from underneath with the supplied bolt and clamp.

 

[sarabande]

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s always, Wayne, it'sa pleasure to read your posts and see the standards ofwork.


One quick thought if I may. If any of the internals of the new locker latch are of mild steel (e.g. springs or tumblers, they may rust like billioh and jam solid. I am also think that rain will leak through the latch into the for'd cabin, as the workings of the latch appear to be 'open plan' The answer may be to keep the boat in Spain

 

[waynes world]

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s always, Wayne, it'sa pleasure to read your posts and see the standards ofwork.


One quick thought if I may. If any of the internals of the new locker latch are of mild steel (e.g. springs or tumblers, they may rust like billioh and jam solid. I am also think that rain will leak through the latch into the for'd cabin, as the workings of the latch appear to be 'open plan' The answer may be to keep the boat in Spain

Morning Sarabande

The latch is a Zinc die cast body with a zinc plated steel rear clamp plate & screw. The rest of the internals as you say the springs etc they will be basic steel yes so may well rust but will see how it goes. Easy enough to fit a different type later if ned be. Will keep them weld lubed up anyway.

Had that problem with a boat that I had once that was sat for years, much like this one was. All the locks on the boat were seized, I did manage to release some though with a good dose of WD40 and they were fine after that.

The boats were inland cruiser and not used on the sea which as we know make s a lot of difference. This boat will be used mainly on inland waters.

Any water that does get through will not be much and no worse than a wet rope and chain and will drain out the bottom drain of the locker.

By `for'd cabin` Did you mean the main cabin and not the Anchor locker ?


Hang on why risk it........I am off to find a mooring in sun

if only

 

[longjohnsilver]

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Great work as always. She's coming on well. Launch this summer?

I have to say that I agree with Sarabande in that I would avoid using any basic steel anywhere on the boat. However hard you try to keep everything dry, they will inevitably rust and you'll be left regretting fitting them in the first place.

 

[waynes world]

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Great work as always. She's coming on well. Launch this summer?

I dare not to say, it has become bad luck. Seem to see the horizon then a get a hold up with some thing or another.

And I need to Soda blast the hull yet below the water line.

I have decided to do this as after a quick clean back it is not looking good and soda will get the worst areas showing up.

I have got my compressors and a blast pot on its way in a few weeks,

Only problem is that the pot/s are down Grays London and I am 240 miles away. Dont do things by half do I

One of the jobs I was wanting to try out was the cold waters system. I got a leisure battery and a few more fitting but that is as far as I got, well but for the filler pipe.

Not easy but a bit of heat and a few clips to prevent it from kinking it all went fine.

I had to bend it around like this as the deck filler is ok where it is but to get it to the tank filler neck it had to clear the 50mm insulation but not to far as to protrude into the deck space which will be paneled over at some stage.

These cheap hole saws are great for the money even to cut a few holes in 6mm GRP .

I cut two to make it easy to feed through at the angle needed and joined them.

Originally i wanted the batteries to be in the cabin under the step, as the water pump is now there there home will be under the rear deck tight to the bulkhead.

I have some 25x3 Ally angle left so made use of it to make a Battery rack for the two 110amp.

Just cut a few lengths and bolted them together in time for when it will be sealed and screwed down.

Still need to clean back and paint down here yet.

Just to the side is the water system drain/shower pump. The pipe will go under the batteries and T off to the shower and the system drain.

A few pics but I just need to fit three panels to finish the lining out. Takes a good while when the panels are curved and in a three dimensional way, they need to be left to set fully just in case they pull off a little.

Always looks worse at first to look good....so they say.

I did this in two section to make it easier to fit.

To get a close cut ( yes i cut a wee bit to much out on a few side but there will be trim once its all done ) cut out wider and wider bit by bit untill you can get a rule in to measure how far you need to go.

Transfer the measurement to the front in a few places and cut back, I used this tool.

In prep for the dread foam. I clogged up the foam gun so I had to resort to the one use cans as back up. Not to kean on these as they are harder to control the flow.

Here it is all screwed back with a little adhesive around the frames and he foam that has been already fitted.

Again holes were drilled to pump the foam into the uneven areas.

OOoooooo its great stuff aslong as you dont get giddy, this was after maybe 5 mins, wish i got a pic when it had finihsed expanding lol.

OMG i thought i lost all that when I pressed a wrong key.

Well that I think is about it I am afraid

Oh yes the rear deck is all primed with three coats of Jotun Vinyguard

 

[vas]

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Just to the side is the water system drain/shower pump. The pipe will go under the batteries and T off to the shower and the system drain.

Wayne,

I have a couple of Gulper220s and IMHO you DONT want them upside down as you have now. When you try and clean the muck, or replace the flappy things or the big round membrane, you wont have fun having it stuck down there, you'll end up unbolting it and laying it down. Also make sure you have something to sweep the water when opening the blue ring thing. Do a test open and see if you're happy with the placement. I'd probably put it 180 round with the membrane on top.

A few pics but I just need to fit three panels to finish the lining out. Takes a good while when the panels are curved and in a three dimensional way, they need to be left to set fully just in case they pull off a little.

I probably missed that, how are you going to line all that plywood in the cabin? And how thick is that ply you glued on the front screen?

cheers

V.

 

[waynes world]

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Hi V

I just fitted the Gulper that way as the chap I got it off said that is the best way to fit it. I would of left it horizontal but he seemed to know what he was saying.

If i turn it 180 with the membrane at he top if it leaks will it not run into the motor if there are problems there ?

I was going to fit it horizontal myself.

Thanks for the tips Vas



The ply is 4mm and will be lined over with a carpet once we choose which but likely to be one we found that is used in camper vans etc.

Your going to say that is to thin now arnt you lol.

EDIT


I had a quick search in the fitting instructions and it says not to fit it the way you say Vas ?

http://www.whalepumps.com/marine/si.../resource-library/180.03_fr_eng_v2_0115db.pdf

 

[vas]

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4mm is fine, I'm just lining everything up with leatherette (vinyl thing whatever you call it) and you have to have it in your hands in order to do so, that's why I'm asking

Re the Gulper, fair enough, I'm recommending this placement only on the grounds of ease of access. In which case, just lift it up a bit so you have enough space to split it up without swearing and having to remove it all!
Flat would be easier, but then you'd have to turn it so that the membrane side is your side, which means that the pipes would be all over the place, not neat...

cheers

V.

 

[waynes world]

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4mm is fine, I'm just lining everything up with leatherette (vinyl thing whatever you call it) and you have to have it in your hands in order to do so, that's why I'm asking

Re the Gulper, fair enough, I'm recommending this placement only on the grounds of ease of access. In which case, just lift it up a bit so you have enough space to split it up without swearing and having to remove it all!
Flat would be easier, but then you'd have to turn it so that the membrane side is your side, which means that the pipes would be all over the place, not neat...

cheers

V.

This what I am thinking on using, the Barley

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5M-x-2m-C...008521?hash=item41addfefc9:g:utkAAOSwHQ9WbaFJ

My mate used it in his camper and it felt .........cozy....warm even. Need a good adhesive though. dont want it drooping now.


I get your point on access on the pump cheers, I ddint think of that when i fitted it and how much room I need, there is room but maybe not enough to make it easy. I will have a go and if need be I can lay it down as the outlet will not be in the way and the inlet will run under the battery.

Still need to T in the shower drain to the pump as this will drain the shower waste and the system IF leave the boat for long periods and winter, tend not to.