British GP, Lost??? N.B Rant!!!!

[mikewilkes]

Thought it might ruffle a few feathers. 80% well thats a wee bit high but certainly a tax on sails presents no problems at all. The government does need money for all the hangers on that are staying in G.B.

<As the owner of a large power boat I contribute way past the amount of tax any normal, even large sailing boat pays to the chancellor. So by me enjoying this expensive hobby I have contrinuted large chunks to the chancellor's coffers. On top of that I have built a business contrbuting millions each year in tax to the chancellor .>

I dont quite follow the large amounts to Charlie Brown. After all you admit you are not paying duty on fuel and as a large company owner with a good accountant.................



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[Gludy]

"I think last years bill ran to Euros 25"

Then you really contribute a fortune from your sport in tax do you not?

"My comment was more in line with the F.1 industry that is primarily British and could well be lost to another country if we dont have a British G.P."

I too would hate to see it go but I do not wish to pay taxes so that governments can squander the money tring to keep it.

"Dont quite follow the logic of that statement at all. Does that mean that all power boat owners would stop using their boats ?"

About £1 billion in taxes is collected from the leisure boating industry - just a 2% drop in this reveneue is £20 million. Yet not even this figure would be raised in fuel duty even if everyone bought the same amount of fuel as before - whci h they will not.

The tax losses in boats going abroad, in people stopping boating will well exceed any possible revunue gain from a 300% to 400% price hike.

I have simplified the above but there is no extra tax kitty, there is a reduced tax kitty there have been many threads on this that explain it in more depth.

When income tax was 98% top rate less tax was collected that when it was reduced to 40% top rate. Just imposing a price hike of 300% to 400% on an item does not mean more tax will be raised and in fact the opposite often happens.

My boat would move to the med and I have spent large sums of money on boating over the last 3 years. Nor would they get a penny duty out of my fuel, repairs etc etc.

In fact the raggies a re right about one thing this hike would empty the seas around the UK of cruising power boats - hence the drop in tax collected in many, many areas.

Do you accept then that mobo's are not being subsidised?


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[Gludy]

"I dont quite follow the large amounts to Charlie Brown. After all you admit you are not paying duty on fuel and as a large company owner with a good accountant................."

Even the best accountant in the world has to have you paying corporation tax, employers NI on nearly 200 people, ........ etc etc.

Anyway .... I repeat the question .. do you withdraw your original point about mobo;s being subsidised with red diesel (which does carry duty I repeat)?

Or are you just going to be a bad loser and sulk!>

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[starboard]

F1 boring.....get more excited watching the grass on my front lawn grow!!! Until they remove all the computer gizzmos from the cars it will always remain so.Spent a great afternoon the other weekend watching the old F1 cars racing around Goodwood, now that is what you call excitment....sorry Alistair you must lead a very mundane life if you think the present F1 circus is exciting!!!!!!

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[mikewilkes]

Paul,

<Or are you just going to be a bad loser and sulk!>

Sorry for the delay but at the moment I am sitting on an 18,000 ton steel cat that need me to do something for it. No we dont pay duty on the desiel either!!

I admit that "even" the best accountant etc BUT if he cant give you more benefits than you would get on PAYE then ......

As regards the earlier post about the amount I contribute in sport tax well even that does not go to Charlie Brown. About the only way I guess I contribute to this so called admistration is by the fact that my wife goes there every month to see her parents.

I think with the government you are all on a dead loser with the "red". Quite how you have got away with it so long I do not know. After all there was a post about taxing fishing, for god's sake, unless that was a winde up. I guess the best you can probably hope for is to get parity with Europe. Seem to remember it was about 80 cents a litre.

Whilst you are helping the country and government with your company and taxes is to be applauded I do not see why anybody really wants to stay.

With the weather and the amount of flights down here to the med I would say come on down cos the price is definately right.

Mike



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[britemp]

. . .'And yes it is duty free because its probably the only fuel that is not taxed !!'

I run one of my cars on LPG. Despite paying duty on LPG, I still pay less per litre than the cost of a litre of red diesel for a boat.

So wrong on both counts then! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif


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[Gludy]

Mike
We agree on your closing point about why are we staying here - if diesel reaches road fuel levels my boats off to the Med as the balance for staying here swings in favour of the Med.

"I admit that "even" the best accountant etc BUT if he cant give you more benefits than you would get on PAYE then ......"

Company Directors are on PAYE ... not even worth having a nice car because the tax man charges a fortune for it!

I reckon that if you bought your fuel over here instead of in the Med then you would cover my tax bill for about 45 seconds per annum!

The idea of 'getting awau with it' implies something that we are keeping that belongs rightly to the government .... I disagree with that! In a practical world it does not make sense to tax red diesel.

I would love to hear a logical argument on why it should be taxed and what the purpose of the tax is. One thing it cannot be is to raise more money in taxation because it will simply not do that. So what is the objective ... envy? ..... what? Try and answer this 'Why' and that would be the beginning of a decent debate.

In the meantime I reckon you owe me a pint when I spot your cat after my move to the med in two years ... agreed? I will even allow you to sulk over the pint ... there, cannot be fairer than that.


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[mikewilkes]

<In the meantime I reckon you owe me a pint when I spot your cat after my move to the med in two years ... agreed? I will even allow you to sulk over the pint ... there, cannot be fairer than that. >

I dont have any problem with that at all. We need some new "UK" type blood down here for the winter social life. Although at last years Thanks Giving the brits out numbered the yanks well and truly. But it was a dam good doo.

As to why you should be taxed. I am afraid it will come down to the envy / greed / look at what he's got type attitude that seems to be prevalent in Britain today.
You have got a big boat / car / house or whatever. The fact that you have got off your arse and work god knows how many hours a week does not come into it with the modern culture.

I feel unfortunately it is only a matter of time before Charlie Brown's lot get their teeth into you.

Dont worry though because the wine / gin is quite ecconomical.




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[mikewilkes]

Dont shout too loud Charlie may be listening.
I used to run around in S1's and a friend of mine with a 107" had the big propane cylinders in the back laid flat for his fuel.



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[rich]

How did it come about, that ONE MAN Controls the world GP???????

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[SlowlyButSurely]

Totally agree britemp. The worst thing is all the piddling new rules introduced over the last few years. The new qualifying regime is rubbish.

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[JonBrooks]

I am a huge motorsport fan.
Have been involed with motor sport on the medical side for more years than I care to remember.
Have been to Silverstone a number of times as both spectator and medical crew.

My main circuit is Brands Hatch, there are members of the team there that still remember the GP being there.

It is sad that Berni has such control, he does not like Silverstone and makes his feeling very well known.
Until his grip goes it will stay the same.

I think it is now down to the Brit fans to make a stand and do what they can to upset him!!!
How I don't know but we should.

I agree that F1 has got a tad boring, same results, as near as dam it, each race.
The last race was more exciting and MS had to start from the back!!

All IMHO of course

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[Planty]

Like you have been a fan for years, wasn't Brands a brilliant place to watch a GP! Still remember Rosberg & Mansell screaming around Druids, on and off the throttle like waling banshees, barely staying on tarmac during the last GP there, the European if memory serves.

Have been to virtually all GP's at Silverstone, nearly didn't go this year although had ticket, pootle over to Portsmouth seemed more interesting, but went. Cracking entry & exit, good facilities compared to say Barcelona or particularly Monaco. Race like all the rest a boring heap of s**t. I've stopped watching now couldn't even tell you when a GP's on.

Ecclestone is an arse, always has been and always will be. At least with Mosely going we might not have a lap dog, but I doubt it. Waste of time, let it go, give your support to A1 Grand Prix at least the Brits have a good chance. Here's an interesting thought that just about explains the current situation in F1, are Sauber using last years Ferrari engine? or could it perhaps be next years??. Rather explains why they are so good out of the box doesn't it?? Paul

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[KevB]

Duty free diesel is not being paid for by anyone. It is just the government don't yet rip us off as much as they do for Derv. It's not as if the Government are taking the tax from somewhere else to make marine diesel cheap!!

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[mikewilkes]

Re: Tax

I know what you are saying but if you read my last post you will see that I am saying it is probably only a matter of time - unfortunately.

< As to why you should be taxed. I am afraid it will come down to the envy / greed / look at what he's got type attitude that seems to be prevalent in Britain today.
You have got a big boat / car / house or whatever. The fact that you have got off your arse and work god knows how many hours a week does not come into it with the modern culture.>




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[Dave_Snelson]

Here, here.

I hope that odious little weasle fails miserably. He has made a right cock-up of F1, to the point that it is plain boring to watch. Motor racing needs a new series.

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[ParaHandy]

The last time we went there was in 1993. The previous year, Mansell won and I think the attendance was 250,000. It took about an hour from the A43 to get into Silverstone at 9am but took 2 hours to get out at 5pm. In 1993, the BRDC made it an "all-ticket" event, you couldn't buy tickets at the door, to restrict the attendance to 100,000 because of safety and access issues. The ticket price jumped, of course. However, for whatever reason, arriving at the same place on the A34 as in 1992, it took 3 hours to get in to the same car park (Stowe) and we missed most of the supporting events.

The ticket price for a family, the ridiculous traffic management with a substantiually reduced gate and sitting on a rough earth bank for 4 or so hours surrounded by fast food vans selling revolting food did it for us .. never again ....

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[Gludy]

KevB - I could not agree with you more. I hate it when people talk about subsidy when in practice it is just not taxed to a certain level.

We own the money in the first place. The money the government choose to steal of us by force - called tax is used to subsidise many things, so even the current tax on red diesel subsides other things, it is not subsidised by anyone and I wish those who calim it is would stop and think about it once in a while.

If the governement owned all the money to begin with and then forced us to have some money in some negative tax system, then the money they supplied to you may be called subsidy ....... but this is not the case!!!!

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[Alistairr]

Blimey!!!!!!, What a responce...

We must be a forum full of Motorboat and Motor Sport Lovers.
Now some of you are saying its dull and boring, Your opinion, I don't agree!!
Starboard,,,, I never said it was 'Exciting'.. I do agree its not as Exciting as it used to be, But certainly the last few races have been pretty good.

IMHO, The reason F1 is losing its sparkle is all down to Health and Safety.
There are far to many rules designed to try and slow the cars down, purely to protect the driver. Anyone who goes to any sort of Motorsport will have seen the sign that read, ' Motorsport is Dangerous ', Maybe thats something that Max Mosley has forgotten. Drivers know the risks, Hell i've been involved with Hillclimbs for many many years, And We even had a death on the track, but thats the danger.
As many of you have said, the good old days, Just look at the recent Goodwood festival, The guys racing the old OLD F1 cars with no roll cages harnesses or any safety gear, Are complete and utterly bonkers, That is a real racing driver, Racing without any thought for his own safety. These days if a driver crashes and gets injured during the race, The fault clearly gets laid at the circuits fault.
I don't know what the immediate answer is either, But I have been a motorsport fan since i was a nipper, I love watching any type of racing, be it on 2 wheels or 4, its all good. The time that F1 started losing it for me was when the introduced grooved tyres for Slicks. Thats just Stupid. However saying that , I record every single race, usually because we are at the boat most Sundays, When we drive down the road on the Sunday night we keep the radio off, in case we hear whos won on the news, when i get in, i empty the car, then sit down and watch the whole Grand Prix Re-live, no matter what the time is.
I still enjoy it, ok, its likey the Fiat will win, but look at all that fantastic machinery.
I go to a lot of motor racing ,but never been to a GP, But hopefully some time i will.

As for Bernie, did you hear his comments about Jaguar leaving F1 next year?
Asked if they'll be missed, he said NO, why should they? They're no match for anyone!!!!.
Bernie, its time to move over i think, But who'd replace him?? Don't think there is anyone British ready to move into his shoes. The only other person would be Flavio Briatorie. And i wonder how quick he would put britain back on the Calander.??

As tcm says, F1 is the superstar of a big sector and losing the british gp will eventually affect lots of UK companies, will ITV really want to or be able to afford to continue to Televise all the GPs live??
The lower ranks of British Motor racing will suffer, as most Foreign young drivers come to Britain to progress their careers. Will they continue, when there is no British GP?? NO, i don't think so.

Maybe its just me, Be the GP at Brands Hatch, Silverstone or Donnington, I will be very sorry to see it go.


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