British GP, Lost??? N.B Rant!!!!

[Alistairr]

Just heard on the Radio that it looks like the British Grand Prix has not been included in nest year race schedule.
I've never been to Silverstone, or a GP, but i do love the sport. (Whoever says its become Boring is talking Bolloxs).
I think this is terrible for the sport.
Britain has always been at the head of Formula 1, Most, or Majority of the Teams are based here. We have always been strong with British Drivers. Even F1 is run by us Brits.
So its cancelled, All because BARDC didn't offer to pay Bernie Eccleston enough money. He wants £7m, but they can only offer £5m.
All these other country's seem to have there goverments able to throw Millions into the Sport, But not ours. They won't give them enough to do up the Car parking.
If we lose it permanently, then i see some of the Teams moving there base to Central Europe, to cut down Transport costs, so that mean more job losses in this country
The new schedule will be confirmed in a couple of weeks, But it looks like its Ta Ta British GP.

Does anyone else feel the loss would be bad for the sport in this country??



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[PhilF]

no, and it is boring, shame you have never seen one live tho, the smell and noise is the best bit

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[DepSol]

BE is just a greedy little midget with a bad haircut !

Hope he gets the boot seeing as we are recently talking about people who extort moeny from others this must be a prime example.

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[Althorne]

I think Bernie Ecclestone is a greedy bastard and I shall tell him so the next time I see him. I would also like to encourage everyone who can to make sure that they avoid buying, investing money in or supporting anything that this man is involved in until he changes his mind. I would also request that eveyone encourage as many people as possible to write, fax and telephone all or any of his businesses to make a very big dent in his jumped up ego.
Yours
Calmly and Serenely
Roy

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[Jim44]

F1 is not boring, it is very boring. I like motor racing but would much rather watch Touring Cars or a race where they can actually overtake each other

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[DERF]

Formula one is a commercial business, just like any other... there may be certain individuals involved who are only driven by the "green-back"...that is the sad reality of things these days..

But I do have to agree that F1 has lost its appeal. It has become nothing other than a procession of extremely highly paid over pampered drivers in exteremly well designed expensive monocoques.... no overtaking, not too much mehnical grip allowed...all aerodynamics and tweaked wings.... all "pit" strategy.... Must protect these cossetted drivers just in case they get hurt...

Sad for silverstone... but you can't compare Silverstone to Sepang, or any of the other "modern circuits now can you" Out with the old say I...

Now sports car endurance racing.. Le Mans etc... thats the real mans stuff!

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[EME]

You think we have problems .. The French keep getting moved from one circuit to another as he unsettles them. They also bemoan that next year they are unlike to have a French driver on the grid ( unless Bourdais comes back from Cart) , yet in 1994 they had 11 drivers and 7 on the grid for one Grand Prix in 1979 .. go on you are an afficionado .. name them ( probably 1979 more difficult !)

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[kindredspirit]

Bernie Ecclestone has tunnel vision (towards pound notes) and screws everyone else to obtain an immoral percentage for himself.

The sooner someone can lever him out, the better.






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[MedDreamer]

Alistair

This is all about Ecclestone flexing his muscle. Remember when he moved it to Easter, it poured down (most unexpected in April ) chaos in the car parks and he blamed the BRDC!

He has not treated Silverstone fairly for many years and you really have to question his motives. He doesn't care less about the motor racing fans, its just about TV and sponsors money, one day I am sure someone will write a very interesting book about him.

Will we miss it? Well presumably the 150000 who turn up every year will, but I stopped going a few years ago, prices were rocketting and the show was getting worse - There used to be more races on the Sunday alone than there are all weekend now. In fact its not been as good since they took away the F3 and Touring Car support races.



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[Gludy]

I would be sad to see it go but feel its not the governments fault - they should not subsidise it - I for one do not wish tax payers money to go into it.

Those that follow the sport should pay for the sport ... but that is how a feel about most subsidies.


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[mikewilkes]

Does that mean you will stop accepting duty free desiel for your sport ?????



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[Dave_Knowles]

Now there's a thought!

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[britemp]

Sad to say as a huge F1 fan, it is actually boring these days. Rent yourself a video of F1 from 15 years ago when all the cars were 1.5litre with driver adjustable turbos which meant even the lowliest team could attempt to overtake the best cars at the risk of blowing their engines. Watch a Mansell v. Senna battle and todays F1 is a sad, over-regulated parody of real motor racing.

The problem is simple - Bernie worships only money and western countries cannot compete with the cash on offer from countries like China that allow tobacco advertising. As BE always puts money first, more and more GP's will head east, at least until all of their potential audience have died of lung cancer anyway. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif


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[oldgit]

So...........

Stopped GP going years ago,started out doing a bit of marshalling at Brands during late sixties with a local Maidstone based car club.Have followed rallying,autocross/rallycross,hill climb(luverly fiddle brakes) and all types of club racing but F1 has left me and my wallet far far behind.Friend of mine has a GP1 Lotus elise and his son is campaigning a Ginetta,would much rather watch either of em doing a bit of practice or spend a cracking day at the yearly Goodwood meets anytime.

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[halcyon]

Is there not a meeting in London shortly to set up the alternative GP series with 30 car, the two could not be connected??????????

If nothing else the next GP must be worth watching when they catch Bernie.


Brian

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[Gludy]

First of all red diesel is not duty free.

Secondly, there is no subsidy on red diesel.

No tax payer is paying a penny to subsidise motor boats.

To argue in some twisted logic way that because a governmnet has not imposed a a higher tax on something the tax payer is subsidising it is ludicrous.

If tax on red was raised to road level less revenue would be raised from the total power boat tax collection not more, so imposing the tax actually means that the tax kitty goes down.

I know .. using your logic the government is not imposing a 80% tax on caravans so this measn that the rest of us are subsidising caravans does it?

I have fully answered your question now please show me the logic behind the assumptiosn in your question

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[tcm]

Re: losing F1, govt

a few poxy million really is a tiny amount seeing as so many millions watch on TV. About 10p each - and it does actually "pay" for something that will affect lots of jobs. F1 is the superstar of a big sector and losing the british gp will eventually affect lots of UK companies...

Extra duty on red diesel, by contrast doesn't actually pay for anything specific. Or at least if it does...how about for this? We're paying more and more tax in all aspects ...for less and less.

any view on the fact that this was only announced after the close of labour party conf? Or wot?





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[kds]

Yeah ---it is boring.
I stopped watching 2 years ago.
Watch a motor cycle grand prix - there is more overtaking per lap than per race in cars.
The drivers lay it on the line all the way - you can see them climb all over their machines as they battle to control them.
Real skill and real risk.
Let E E have it.
Ken

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[mikewilkes]

The original post was not to "fuel" the red d /f debate. And yes it is duty free because its probably the only fuel that is not taxed !! Not that it really concerns me a toss because I run on a very small amount of petrol which I purchase at continental prices. I think last years bill ran to Euros 25.

My comment was more in line with the F.1 industry that is primarily British and could well be lost to another country if we dont have a British G.P.

< If tax on red was raised to road level less revenue would be raised from the total power boat tax collection not more, so imposing the tax actually means that the tax kitty goes down. >

Dont quite follow the logic of that statement at all. Does that mean that all power boat owners would stop using their boats ?

<I know .. using your logic the government is not imposing a 80% tax on caravans so this measn that the rest of us are subsidising caravans does it? >

Considering that they take up space on the roads possibly they are being subsidised by non caravan owners. Oh and dont forget horse box owners from the hunting fraternity !!!




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[Gludy]

Having just realised you are a raggie, may I add a question to my last post.

As an affluent sport sailing should be taxed by taxing sail cloth at 80% duty rate - this is a good way of raising revenue to pay towards our needy life saving hospitals - the fact the this tax has not been imposed as yet means that we are all subsidising sraggies does it?

Tax is collecting money by various means from the population and then having a government choose how to spend it on behalf of the population. Not taxing something is not a subsidy. Taxing something and then spending it elsewhare is a subsidy. Every penny of tax collected and spent by government is a penny's worth of less choice to us.

As the owner of a large power boat I contribute way past the amount of tax any normal, even large sailing boat pays to the chancellor. So by me enjoying this expensive hobby I have contrinuted large chunks to the chancellor's coffers. On top of that I have built a business contrbuting millions each year in tax to the chancellor ..... all I do is subsidise, so please do not try an ever claim that I nor any other mobo owner is being subsidised!

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