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Greg .....

The problem is your teasing.

Several knowledgeable people, with wide experience, both DIY and professional, have pointed out some of the challenges you are facing.

You just dismiss them all, with a smug "I'll do it differently, with different tools".

Why not tell of these magical tools and techniques up front?

What has everyone else been doing wrong?

Yes .... you are teasing us!

(Just for the record: I have no relevant experience at all, and wish you well, with this, to my eyes, big undertaking).
 
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Concerto said:
Winches.

All of the brands will do the job. My preference is Lewmar self tailing, yes for all of them. Genoa I would suggest 46 or 48. For halyards use 40. These are oversize, but do make like a lot easier and less hard work.
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I was indeed thinking a bit of oversize when it comes to winches cannot hurt. Gonna check those sizes. And yeah self tailing..
 
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NealB said:
Greg .....

The problem is your teasing.

Several knowledgeable people, with wide experience, both DIY and professional, have pointed out some of the challenges you are facing.

You just dismiss them all, with a smug "I'll do it differently, with different tools".

Why not tell of these magical tools and techniques up front?

What has everyone else been doing wrong?

Yes .... you are teasing us!

(Just for the record: I have no relevant experience at all, and wish you well, with this, to my eyes, big undertaking).
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Ok here’s a thought, I have had a few “EXPERTS” tell me all I cannot do. I’m just doing MY thing. The fact is that I’m not teasing anyone, they are the ones trying to impart large helpings of you can’t do this and have not heard a peep from the same experts as to the balance of the argument. In their view they know it all. Keep it that way and let me work.
It’s also NOT what I consider an Expert. They are more like Swiss knives, know a bit of a lot of things but the blades are not specialized. Hell, of a tool, but not a good skinning knife.
An expert in Fibreglass is not the same as an expert boat builder. The next question to formulate is Expert at what type of techniques and boat model in what role and technical capacity.
This days the world is full of experts telling you why you cannot do anything, how everything has been invented and the Chinese produce it cheaper.
So please. Spare me the “expertise” and I’ll do my own mistakes and will learn from them.
By mistakes, Fibreglass was invented when a jet of compressed air hit a stream of molten glass and that gave rise to experts that now declare the subject is closed.
The ancient Phoenicians and Egyptians also made Fibreglass, but strand by strand and used it for decoration. They were EXPERTS at that. Did your experts even know this? Just wondering.
But fair point. NEXT TIME I WANT TO ASK WHAT I CANNOT DO I WILL USE SAID EXPERTS !
 
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GregOddity said:
to be honest, I've been afraid to look. But I'm going to have a peek today. Wearing dark sunglasses to protect me from the glare of the prices.
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I can't remember which one, but I think it is Harken who will sell you an expensive pair of sunglasses for the purpose.
 
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GregOddity said:
Ok here’s a thought, I have had a few “EXPERTS” tell me all I cannot do. I’m just doing MY thing. The fact is that I’m not teasing anyone, they are the ones trying to impart large helpings of you can’t do this and have not heard a peep from the same experts as to the balance of the argument. In their view they know it all. Keep it that way and let me work.
It’s also NOT what I consider an Expert. They are more like Swiss knives, know a bit of a lot of things but the blades are not specialized. Hell, of a tool, but not a good skinning knife.
An expert in Fibreglass is not the same as an expert boat builder. The next question to formulate is Expert at what type of techniques and boat model in what role and technical capacity.
This days the world is full of experts telling you why you cannot do anything, how everything has been invented and the Chinese produce it cheaper.
So please. Spare me the “expertise” and I’ll do my own mistakes and will learn from them.
By mistakes, Fibreglass was invented when a jet of compressed air hit a stream of molten glass and that gave rise to experts that now declare the subject is closed.
The ancient Phoenicians and Egyptians also made Fibreglass, but strand by strand and used it for decoration. They were EXPERTS at that. Did your experts even know this? Just wondering.
But fair point. NEXT TIME I WANT TO ASK WHAT I CANNOT DO I WILL USE SAID EXPERTS !
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A great rant ... but, yet again, just a statement that you know of better techniques, with no explanation.
 
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I give you the Harken mars bar :D

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?455780-Marine-Superstore-really&p=5690380#post5690380

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NealB said:
A great rant ... but, yet again, just a statement that you know of better techniques, with no explanation.
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Thank you.
I'm on "full on" ranting mode today. Some days, I’m an Expert at Ranting and I can tell you all why your rants will never work and dissect it to bits to prove my point without adding or contributing in anything to your betterment whatsoever.
Explanation can be best viewed as I do the boat. No words needed. If there are any questions after, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer. But I am not about to start teaching experts, you cannot fill a full cup that’s already full.
I'm doing, " just doing MY boat".
Funny thing... In Aviation there are also a lot of “hangar” Pilots and Air Wing Commodores. They tend to cluster around the club Bar and dispense large helpings of wisdom and expertise and know everything there was ever to be known and are the “ultimate” expert on all matters related to Flying Pigs Squadrons and colours of the rainbow they produce as they flutter their little ears and take flight.
 
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pvb said:
Ha! That's an argument you can apply to the whole boat, as several people have already pointed out.:D
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Yes, it is a “valid” argument that can be applied not just to this particular boat but to anything. It’s so much easier to dismiss then to create.

For the price of finishing this one with new parts, I can buy an old boat… full of old parts and years of projects that start with a leaky screw and transform into a chain reaction of subprojects.
But MY view is Final on the matter I’m afraid. I want the NEW boat with NEW parts when finished.
We can also discuss the “half empty, half full glass of water” or even Schrödinger’s Cat.
I’m however willing to LET THEM DISCUSS it amongst themselves in great length and in maximum detail if they promise not to burden me with any part of it. Otherwise no cake tonight.
 
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Greg,

I'm trying to follow this thread but tbh I'm struggling...

In Dec 2011 I started work on rebuilding a ply on iroko frame 43ft motorboat (over in the mobo section of this forum). Back then I argued I'm going to have it back in the water for the summer and initially many joked/laughed and commented on that. Turned out that I didn't even have a sound enough hull (which looks like you do have!) and took me 4yrs to float her again.
Was it a lot of work? It definitely was, and I did have a lot of the kit needed (although I took most apart, checked/cleaned/refurbished/refitted). Was it worth it, you bet (on many aspects).
During the whole process other than some friendly joking about my management skills and optimism, the thread run v. smoothly, everyone was really helpful and I'm grateful for that.

I'm pretty sure once you stop focusing on delivery day, special intragalactic secret tools and costs, and START REPORTING on the work done, things are going to run v.smoothly.
That is assuming the point of the thread is to pick up the brains of the more experienced and as a return give them back an entertaining thread to follow. TBH, I'm still confused if the above statement is true and that's the aim of this thread...

Sincerely hope it does turn this way, else its really pointless and personally wont bother visiting. You have a challenging and interesting project in front of you, personally wouldn't care less if it takes you 1 or 2 yrs to complete, if you're happy and keep on working. But OTOH, reading all sorts of comments from guys that do offer their vast knowledge on an open forum doesn't help anyone may eventually piss them off and either stop trying to help you (when you actually need some real help) or stop posting on PBO (which will be a loss to all)!

So can we have some design/building action and stop the confrontations please?

cheers

V.
 
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GregOddity said:
Dude, I do not disagree in principle with the concept you’re presenting, I said it may times and I will say it again for your benefit.
What you are saying makes sense for the AVERAGE of amateur boat builders. Not for every case.
Rest easy no need to bust a pipe on a difference of opinion. But you also tremendously mistake intentions.
An example as a peace offering, I came here to seek any morsel or info or grain of thought that would improve my timeframe with imparted knowledge, perhaps even an academic discussion on the merits of this method v that method.
You’re not actually contributing to that process by telling me it’s impossible and that I’m going to take years doing it.
On the other hand, here’s a problem: you declare yourself an expert, I finish the boat on the time I said and even within my budget. How expertly are you going to look?
(this is the time to pause and think before you type “it’s impossible”)
It’s not a Super yacht, and I have built wooden boats. I told you on the beginning that I have a lot of very highly capable colleagues and friends for every aspect of the boat. I’ve been preparing to build one for the last 2 years. You’re really not taking anything I say into account except your own opinion.
Which is actually kind of sad, because instead of this semantics you could actually help at least bouncing some ideas. It seems you’re completely closed off to anything besides what you declare it to be. While I’m talking to you, my dear brother is smiling and designing all the cable layout for the boat.. Pulpit, stern arch and bathing platform are being CAD’ed for laser and bending by someone else. Mattresses and fabrics are chosen by the wife ( she’s a very efficient German Lady ) , Stove is on standby. A mechanic friend is on hand for anything engine related. And Oddity will be sailing to Portugal in December after some shakedowns around the UK.
You are going to be disappointed by your own opinions only because you’re not actually listening to me, or what I ask, you’re trying to tell me what I don’t actually have any use for and not what I need.
Even the curtains are chosen. (the wife off course, what else…)
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I am listening. What I hear is mostly inconsequential dreaming rather than concrete ideas on which one can comment. So far you have just claimed you are going to do things differently - as if nobody has ever thought of that before. Despite what you think I am not expressing opinion, but giving you the benefit of 40 years experience connected with the marine business, which if you bother to look is consistent with the majority of experienced posters on this thread.

What you write about here in having people help you is nothing new or different - almost everybody who builds boats does exactly the same. Nothing new in CAD for designing steelwork, nor having a wife doing the upholstery or a mate that can help out installing the engine (just hope he knows what he is doing as it is not as simple as it looks). Still does not change the hours required to put it into practice and build the boat. Like you I had the electrical system for a boat I refitted designed by professionals so I knew what gear did what and how to fit it. Still took me a week to install in a simple 26', though.

This is the issue you are simply not addressing and you will only discover how wrong you are when you start to actually do things and you discover it is very different from what you imagined. For example, have you checked that your "free" bulkhead can actually be attached to the hull satisfactorily with GRP tabbings - given you (nor anybody else seemingly) has ever done it and you have no experience of GRP work

Glad winches have raised their ugly heads. Hope you have your application ready for a mortgage to pay for them if buying new. Don't think its easy to buy used - few people sell off functioning winches, and no, in general old ones can't be converted to self tailing. You may be lucky and get some old non ST worn out winches with a few years life in them, but you will quickly realise why many people bite the bullet and buy new. Again, been through exactly this process and for a few years lived with somebody's cast offs (cos I had no money) until I could afford new bronze STs.

So, I love your line that so far winches have been absent from your plans. Might I suggest this is just symptomatic of your lack of appreciation of what you have taken on. You are going to receive many more such "surprises" as you get further into this project in the same way as everybody else who takes on a one off build.
 
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