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This question is just for my education. I am not considering there to be a problem with my engine.
I know quite a bit about carburated aero engines but little about marine turbo diesels.
The two photos below are from April (rpm 2879) and a few days ago (rpm 2875). As you can see all the parameters are very similar except for the boost pressure. 15psi in April and 18psi in September. I am wondering why and how the boost pressure can be higher? In April the bottom would have been clean. Now in September there will of course be some slime on the prop and hull. This though surely is accounted for by a drop in speed through the water. 24Kt > 23Kt
Since the rpm is constant surely the fuel air through the engine is constant. I can see if you put more fuel in you could keep the fuel/air ratio constant if you increased the boost, but since the turbo is free spinning driven by the exhaust why would it increase boost?
I presume the throttle on a diesel is not in fact a throttle but controlling the amount of fuel through the injectors? Does increasing the fuel input increase the power somewhat, but briefly the ratio goes rich, the exhaust volume increase so the turbo works harder so rpm rises bringing the air/fuel ratio back to the ideal? Is this what is happening? Is there any control on the turbo?
I will add the LPH to the display for future reference.
Here we have a constant rpm though, so surely the volume of fuel and air is constant, or has it increased to partly account for the slime as well as the loss of speed?
PS I am not sure it is relevant to the query but the engine in question is a VP D6-400.
PPS I am going to keep a spring/autumn record to look out for changes/problems.


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Yes, so to increase the boost pressure you need more exhaust. So at constant rpm how do you get more exhaust. Is it as I proposed?
 
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I presume the throttle on a diesel is not in fact a throttle but controlling the amount of fuel through the injectors?

Is this the key bit -
I think I recall the following explanation- throttle position sets the desired RPM. The governor then sets the fuel rack to inject a volume of fuel needed to reach this rpm at a given load.
So even at equivalent throttle position, with more load there will be more fuel, hence more exhaust, hence more boost.

Is this right?
 

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This question is just for my education. I am not considering there to be a problem with my engine.
I know quite a bit about carburated aero engines but little about marine turbo diesels.
The two photos below are from April (rpm 2879) and a few days ago (rpm 2875). As you can see all the parameters are very similar except for the boost pressure. 15psi in April and 18psi in September. I am wondering why and how the boost pressure can be higher? In April the bottom would have been clean. Now in September there will of course be some slime on the prop and hull. This though surely is accounted for by a drop in speed through the water. 24Kt > 23Kt
Since the rpm is constant surely the fuel air through the engine is constant. I can see if you put more fuel in you could keep the fuel/air ratio constant if you increased the boost, but since the turbo is free spinning driven by the exhaust why would it increase boost?
I presume the throttle on a diesel is not in fact a throttle but controlling the amount of fuel through the injectors? Does increasing the fuel input increase the power somewhat, but briefly the ratio goes rich, the exhaust volume increase so the turbo works harder so rpm rises bringing the air/fuel ratio back to the ideal? Is this what is happening? Is there any control on the turbo?
I will add the LPH to the display for future reference.
Here we have a constant rpm though, so surely the volume of fuel and air is constant, or has it increased to partly account for the slime as well as the loss of speed?
PS I am not sure it is relevant to the query but the engine in question is a VP D6-400.
PPS I am going to keep a spring/autumn record to look out for changes/problems.


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I have broadly found the answer to my own question. Most (all) turbo diesels have a waste gate. The waste gate allows some exhaust gas to bypass the turbo. The gate is controlled in the case of the D6 by the ECU. It can vary the amount of exhaust which is allowed to 'escape'. So by varying the position of the waste gate the ECU can increase/decrease the boost pressure and thus control the air in and presumably ensure the optimum fuel/air ratio is maintained. This leaves me with lots of queries so if we have a turbo diesel expert around I would love to hear a more detailed explanation.
 

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I think your explanation is pretty clear.
The earlier KAD42’s and KAD43’s (mine) didn’t have variable vane turbos nor waste gate valves so quite simple.
They also don’t have your data displays. On this forum someone (I forget who) used a bluetooth tyre pressure monitor kit with adaptions to measure turbo pressure. I put one together some time ago and it worked a treat. I’m flogging the boat so no need for the kit. If anyone is interested PM me.
 
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Many lower performance turbo diesels don't have a waste gate. Boost is directly proportional to the amount of fuel being burned. Your engine is boosting harder because it is having to burn more fuel to achieve that same rpm due to increased drag. Think of throttle position and fuelling on a diesel engine as two completely separate parameters. Your throttle position is telling the engine what rpm you would like it to run. The fuel pump will increase or decrease fuelling to maintain this rpm. You could run 2800rpm with no load and have no boost at all.
 

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I think your explanation is pretty clear.
The earlier KAD42’s and KAD43’s (mine) didn’t have variable vane turbos nor waste gate valves so quite simple.
They also don’t have your data displays. On this forum someone (I forget who) used a bluetooth tyre pressure monitor kit with adaptions to measure turbo pressure. I put one together some time ago and it worked a treat. I’m flogging the boat so no need for the kit. If anyone is interested PM me.
Guilty as charged 🤣🤣
 
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