Boat underwater LED lights

[titanic]

Yeah this is the thing that makes me laugh about eco-zealots. Their carbon emissions are always good and worthy but yours or mine are killing the planet. There was a little piece in the paper yesterday about the MMGW conference in Cancun having a carbon footprint as big as a 4500 person town in the UK for a whole year. Praps they'd do more good staying at home

Couldn't agree more! BUT, looking on the bright side it would appear that ACE has ordered his lights and will soon be enjoying them. Another sale for a start up British company that if successful will contribute to the UK economy.

 

[PaulGooch]

I'm sorry Haydn but you are. Searush described Lumishore's products as "Just the job to make you look a real prat with more money than sense & no taste at all." which is talking down their products and encouraging people not to buy them, and you're supporting him.

I'm not asking you to like u/w lights; I'm merely asking you please to recognise that lots of other folks (in warmer climes) do like them, and I'm asking you not to talk down the product that these 2 UK guys (incl a fellow forumite) have chucked a massive investment into engineering and marketing.

At the end of the day jfm, Searush's comments were extremely rude to the OP, all users of u/w lighting and Lumishore, even by his standards.

The plain and simple truth is, the comments were offensive and uncalled for and if his belated follow up post was meant to be an apology, it fell far short of the mark.

It's not the technical discussions on these boards that make them less desirable to read, it's some of the posts in this thread (and others like it). Rudeness for the sake of rudeness, IMO.

 

[colingr]

Bit late to this one so I'm ignoring the arguments so far.

I think underwater lights are a bit like underbody lights on a car along with custom wheels, paint jobs etc etc.

Yes they're unneccessary and a waste of money in some peoples eyes. But the point is, some people want to spend their money on such things and it's not for me, or for anyone lese to tell them that they are wasting their money. It's theirs to spend on what they want.

I'd love some lights, I think they're a bit of fun in a boring world.

I've love a Sunseeker but can't afford it but that doesn't mean I can slag off people who have the money and the Sunseeker, I get flack from my sister for wasting money on my boat, sod her, it's my money.I can waste it if I want.

So to the OP go for it and post some lovely wake shots.

I may well join you, if only to annoy some of the stuffed shirts who think that anything fun and pointless should be banned.

There, I feel much better now

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Tee Hee, excellent.

BUT to revert to the OP can someone tell me what is the purpose/value of such lights?
Are they to light up the sea-bed for snorkling, act as a homing beacon for swimmers, blind the local HM so he can't see the name on the stern of the boat creating that huge wash on the way back from The Folly?

Well, in truth, its largely bling but they do serve some practical purpose. If like me, you have a problem identifying your boat in a dark anchorage after a drunken sojourn ashore, they could help. My SWMBO likes a swim at night for reasons best known to herself (she was probably a squid in a previous life) and when there are jellyfish about, as there often are in the Med, u/w lights could help show them up. Last, they attract fish which is great for entertaining kids. Yup, not must haves but then neither is a mobo generally and if they provide a little bit of pleasure for the boat owner and help the economy, then why not?

 

[jfm]

LED lighting will replace most other forms of lighting in years to come,

I think it will be fairly soon Assassin becuase there's is an EU ban on incandescent lights coming in a few years

I looked at all-LED for the new boat, to cut down on the current draw of halogens when at anchor. I was pretty disappointed with the stock items avaialbe eg Cantalupi catalogue, as they had such poor CRI (which means everything looks kinda flat) so i stuck with halogens. Easy to swap if a good product becomes availalbe later

If you get the time to post in a new thread I'd be interested to hear what you were able to do on your previous boat, and whether you were able to find components that got the right colour temperaturr and CRI so that it felt like halogen lighting

 

[Magnum]

What about Lopolight jfm? We specced them on our sailing boat - nav and anchor lights. I think they do some utility stuff too.

 

[hlb]

I'm sorry Haydn but you are. Searush described Lumishore's products as "Just the job to make you look a real prat with more money than sense & no taste at all." which is talking down their products and encouraging people not to buy them, and you're supporting him.

I'm not asking you to like u/w lights; I'm merely asking you please to recognise that lots of other folks (in warmer climes) do like them, and I'm asking you not to talk down the product that these 2 UK guys (incl a fellow forumite) have chucked a massive investment into engineering and marketing.

I'm sorry your misguided, I'm supporting searush, because he's a mate and has a right to what he thinks. nothing more, nothing less. I have no interest in his politics.

Do Forumites make better and more worth while products than anyone else??

I did not know he was a forumite, though I'm not sure how that makes any difference.

I must admit though, where as in the first place I just thought them bling and a bit silly, but each to there own.

Now told I have to like them, or keep my mouth shut, I find quite disurbing.

So I'm far more likely to come out with all guns blazing the next time there mentioned.

 

[benjenbav]

Yes .. all of those things C ( who looks after Business Development ) has the best line on this at boat shows. She is a lady so got away with it.

Q -- Boat Show and bearded gentleman of the "Real" boater persuasion turns up in very battered waterproofs -- somewhat surprising in 30 degree heat , looks over our lights .. feels them .. blinds himself by switching them on... shows a little disdain ....

Our Boater: '' So EXACTLY what would I use these for on my boat?"
C : "Primarily for fun sir"
Our Boater ( outraged) : What ? FUN!!
C (with cheeky grin): Yes Sir , and why exactly did you buy your boat?

To be fair, he got it and laughed profusely at himself ..

Fab. Give that lady a bonus, EME!!

 

[jfm]

What about Lopolight jfm? We specced them on our sailing boat - nav and anchor lights. I think they do some utility stuff too.

Ah yes I have their catalog and they are lovely things. Royal huisman fit them to sailboats so you're in good company

My problems have been just with interior lighting. There are two features that matter, apart from brightness/power/efficiency, and these are colourttemperature and CRI.

Colour temp is well understood and denotes whether the light is a warmer yellowy colour or a colder white colour. All ok, except that if you try to mix different fittings from the same catalogue eg ceiling downlighter and step lights int he same zone on the boat you find the maufacturer wont match up the temperatures, irritatingly. Also the tolerance is wide esp with cheaper LEDs and if you have to replace one in a set it can be a different colour from the others you have of the same series.

CRI is a measure of how flat or kinda boring/dull the light looks as it shines on the different colours surfaces in a living space. Sunshire is 100%, halogens are high 90s. LEDs at say 80% look hideous, if you use them to light your saloon at night. It is really hard to find good downlighters with high enough CRI and this is the sole reason I chose not to install them on my boat

 

[PaulGooch]

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Now told I have to like them, or keep my mouth shut, I find quite disurbing.

So I'm far more likely to come out with all guns blazing the next time there mentioned.

Bit like you telling us to stop talking to newbies, stop posting technical posts and only post trip reports ?

 

[jfm]

keep my mouth shut.

I'm asking you/Searush not to talk down/say opinionated narrow-minded non live-and-let-live damaging things about the Lumishore business that two Uk guys have invested a lot of time and money into, and that is becoming a success with good export sales in this lousy recessionary economy. If that's asking you to keep your mouth shut, then yes i suppose am asking you to keep your mouth shut, though I wouldn't choose those words. I'd also re-mention that EME doesn't say disparaging things about Searush's business, and it's a shame that courtesy is not reciprocated by Searush

 

[colingr]

Come on chaps, such an innocent little thing to get so wound up about.


I'm sure the OP is not too chuffed about starting WW3 with his little post.

 

[gjgm]

Come on chaps, such an innocent little thing to get so wound up about.


I'm sure the OP is not too chuffed about starting WW3 with his little post.

he he; who said the forum was boring.

 

[hlb]

I'm asking you/Searush not to talk down/say opinionated narrow-minded non live-and-let-live damaging things about the Lumishore business that two Uk guys have invested a lot of time and money into, and that is becoming a success with good export sales in this lousy recessionary economy. If that's asking you to keep your mouth shut, then yes i suppose am asking you to keep your mouth shut, though I wouldn't choose those words. I'd also re-mention that EME doesn't say disparaging things about Searush's business, and it's a shame that courtesy is not reciprocated by Searush

And I'm asking you to stop being disparaging to an old guy who's done his bit in life, now retired, but running a bike shop to help others. It might not be my thing or yours, but he's not sat on his arse is he. EME knows nowt about searushes business, so how could they attack it, only you have done that.

I'm sure searush has never heard about EME till now, so how could he attack it?

JFM you surprise me, especially over a set of fairy lights. Would you expect any 70 year old raggie to see them as cool. I'd expected a bit more of you.

 

[colingr]

he he; who said the forum was boring.

Not me

Like in a pub though, if a couple of chaps decide to start a fight the are normally asked to take it outside where it won't disturb the remaining folk trying to keep on the subject.

Mind you the conversation would grind to a halt anyway as everyone rushes to the window to "encourage" the protagonists

 

[jfm]

...attack it, only you have done that.

Would you expect any 70 year old raggie to see them as cool. I'd expected a bit more of you.

Haydn I'm not going to go on long and we might as well wrap this thread up soon, but I do want to respond to that .

All I've done to Searush is complain at his damaging remarks towards a decent start up UK business, ie Lumishore. And I've pointed out to him that the owners of Lumishore have not stooped to doing the same to Searush's business.

I have not attacked Searush's business. I haven't said "Don't buy a searush bike cos only daft/tasteless/stupid folks would do that", or whatever, which is what he has done to Lumishore. I have called it a "sideshow", which is fair comment in the context it was made; it makes no profits and doesn't contribute to the economy/tax take. Other than that, if I've attacked his business you're going to have to quote what I said back to me cos i can't see it.

No I don't expect nor do i ask Searush to like the lights. I never said anything of the sort. My compliant to Searush is nothing to do with his liking or disliking the lights. I might not like your extrusions, Searush's bikes, Magnum's electronics, tcm's software, Deleted User's machinery, etc, but I wouldn't be so rude as to make a post saying folks who buy those products are dumb-asses. Only Searush has done that.

 

[Searush]

I'm asking you/Searush not to talk down/say opinionated narrow-minded non live-and-let-live damaging things about the Lumishore business that two Uk guys have invested a lot of time and money into, and that is becoming a success with good export sales in this lousy recessionary economy. If that's asking you to keep your mouth shut, then yes i suppose am asking you to keep your mouth shut, though I wouldn't choose those words. I'd also re-mention that EME doesn't say disparaging things about Searush's business, and it's a shame that courtesy is not reciprocated by Searush

OMG! I apologise profusely, I bow down to your extreme superiority in all things & I accept that your view of the world is all encompassing & utterly correct.

I am a pimple on the @rse of the forum for having an opinion & the balls to express it for myself. I will never again feel free to post on here. You wish.


Kiss my @rse! I was once told that I was pompous fro trying to explains something simply for a beginner. You have just completely overawed me in your pomposity. The first step to dictatorship is to destroy free speech & all opposition to one's own viewpoint. Bling has no place on a boat in my view as it simply adds cost and increased risk of failure. But If you are shallow enough & rich enough to want it - fine by me, but don't demand my respect.

Incidentally, before I retired into the bike business (which was undertaken as a fun exercise) I was a top tax payer despite the best efforts of my accountant. So I have paid my share in - and I am looking forward to taking a few squid out in the near future. Your assumptions are crass ignorant & wrong, but that fits with your general behaviour in this thread.

Right, so do we agree to differ & become pals again or do you wish to continue the fight? I will not lie down in the face of bullying. And anyway, I suspect this little spat has caused loads of entertainment & publicity for your mate's lights amongst those who feel a need for them. Toodle pip.

 

[Forbsie]

I am saddened by this post because i see two protagonists at loggerheads who, while I have only met them a few times, I still regard them as friends, and I know that they are actually friends in real life. Both have contributed hugely to these fora.

Back to the thread, I (probably) woudn't install these on my boat because I dont think they would look appropriate on a 100 year old pinnace. That said, I read these posts because I may get an idea of how to enhance the appearance of my boat (once it's eventually finished) with the use of lighting. I don't see the Lumishore product, in any way, as superfluous bling. It provides a magnificent, illuminated swimming area around the vessel (rarely useful in UK waters, I grant you, but that is not their catchment area) and, probably more importantly, it showcases the magnificent work of the 20...80...200+ craftsmen that have built these fine boats.

How many of you have cruised down the Thames, or elsewhere, and thought "Why are they wasting money lighting up Parliament or the Tower of London?" Would you prefer to pass some silhouettes in the dark?

I am incredibly impressed that Lumishore can get ahead of the market internationally in such a short period of time. More importantly for my area of the market is what changes they could make to on-board led lighting using JFM's experience and research. All of a sudden that would come up on all our power-consious radars and we would forget that the roots of this British company were perhaps less relevant to our particular boating styles and locations. Perhaps the cheap jibes would stop then.

 

[Searush]

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I am incredibly impressed that Lumishore can get ahead of the market internationally in such a short period of time. More importantly for my area of the market is what changes they could make to on-board led lighting using JFM's experience and research. All of a sudden that would come up on all our power-consious radars and we would forget that the roots of this British company were perhaps less relevant to our particular boating styles and locations. Perhaps the cheap jibes would stop then.

If they produced some reasonably priced LED masthead nav lights I would jump down their throat to buy them. If I see them at LIBS I will ask them what the problem is with producing useful stuff. I suspect they have much bigger profit margins selling bling to the over wealthy.

And please don't fret about the teasing that goes on in these posts. It is nothing but "sound & fury" and signifieth nothing!

 

[Magnum]

Forums are strange places. In my experience they bring out the best and worst in people.