Boat underwater LED lights
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gjgm
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and some pretty colourful shirts....
John_Mackay
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Lights
I cant believe the fuss about this!! more money than sense right enough
Its the same as the boy racers with lights under their cars
Next you know the furry dice will be hanging from the bridge windows!!
I cant believe the fuss about this!! more money than sense right enough
Its the same as the boy racers with lights under their cars
Next you know the furry dice will be hanging from the bridge windows!!
Forbsie
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If they produced some reasonably priced LED masthead nav lights I would jump down their throat to buy them. If I see them at LIBS I will ask them what the problem is with producing useful stuff.I suspect they have much bigger profit margins selling bling to the over wealthy.
And please don't fret about the teasing that goes on in these posts. It is nothing but "sound & fury" and signifieth nothing!
Yes, but what if they produced an excellent nav light that conquered the top end of the market. The rest of the producers would have to alter their pricing and ideas to keep their market share and you may find that the costs drop to be accessible to your end of the market.
Searush
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jfm
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Searush as you well know my complaint to you has nothing to do with your dislike of the lights. You are free to dislike them as much as you wish and I wouldn't dream of stopping you. My complaint was ONLY about your insulting the products/customers of a start up company that a fellow forumite has invested much into. You know that, but it suits your purposes to (try to)deflect attention from it and accuse me instead of criticising (or bullying!) you for not liking the lights. Not much point in debating further then; life is too short. Let's agree to differ on what is appropriate behaviour. Best wishesOMG! I apologise profusely, I bow down to your extreme superiority in all things & I accept that your view of the world is all encompassing & utterly correct.
I am a pimple on the @rse of the forum for having an opinion & the balls to express it for myself. I will never again feel free to post on here. You wish.
Incidentally, before I retired into the bike business (which was undertaken as a fun exercise) I was a top tax payer despite the best efforts of my accountant. So I have paid my share in - and I am looking forward to taking a few squid out in the near future. Your assumptions are crass ignorant & wrong, but that fits with your general behaviour in this thread.
Right, so do we agree to differ & become pals again or do you wish to continue the fight? I will not lie down in the face of bullying. And anyway, I suspect this little spat has caused loads of entertainment & publicity for your mate's lights amongst those who feel a need for them. Toodle pip.
jfm
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Wonderful stuff BJB. You're in the wrong job being a lawyer mate. Your eloquence should be deployed should be writing erotic novels
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Searush as you well know my complaint to you has nothing to do with your dislike of the lights. You are free to dislike them as much as you wish and I wouldn't dream of stopping you. My complaint was ONLY about your insulting the products/customers of a start up company that a fellow forumite has invested much into. You know that, but it suits your purposes to (try to)deflect attention from it and accuse me instead of criticising (or bullying!) you for not liking the lights. Not much point in debating further then; life is too short. Let's agree to differ on what is appropriate behaviour. Best wishes
Oh come on JFM, admit it, your just a set of fairies. You'll be having a nodding dog on the patio doors next.
Searush
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Selling dreams, eh. Isn't that what the marine industry is largely about. Pity some of them turn into nightmares!
Assassin
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jfm:
When i originally made my first lights much of it was dictated to a degree, the original apertures, the LED quality, etc; which meant they did a job rather then being as good as they currently are. Most were soft white which meant a yellow hue, but with improving LED technology you can get almost true white light output due to incorporating more blue instead of yellow, i am sure we are both aware that true white will never be available.
Later lighting utilised the better quality LED's and these were very much trial and error, especially the reflectors, but by combining varying viewing angles i found the solution, and often the plastic covers used a diffuser.
You are right about the flat quality of LED lighting, and to a large degree it is the reflectors and diffusers which improve this, but i experimented with lighting at different levels, basically a 3D lighting system.
Externally i found floor or very low level lighting much better, this suited the other half who is disabled, and lighting the lower levels of the boat with higher light levels and overhead lighting at lower levels worked. It does depend very much on the location and finish of the craft as lighting does vary from finish to finish, so i understand and agree with your earlier point as a friend tried the same on his boat and the result was very different.
Navigation lights are similar, they were made using a combination of LED's with different brightnesses and viewing angles and using a number of conceled wide viewing angled LED's to light the reflector.
It is very much down to the individual, i personally hate halogen lighting as i often find it too harsh, but again it is down to each individuals eyes and the finish in the boat. With my experimentation i found what was best for us.
When i originally made my first lights much of it was dictated to a degree, the original apertures, the LED quality, etc; which meant they did a job rather then being as good as they currently are. Most were soft white which meant a yellow hue, but with improving LED technology you can get almost true white light output due to incorporating more blue instead of yellow, i am sure we are both aware that true white will never be available.
Later lighting utilised the better quality LED's and these were very much trial and error, especially the reflectors, but by combining varying viewing angles i found the solution, and often the plastic covers used a diffuser.
You are right about the flat quality of LED lighting, and to a large degree it is the reflectors and diffusers which improve this, but i experimented with lighting at different levels, basically a 3D lighting system.
Externally i found floor or very low level lighting much better, this suited the other half who is disabled, and lighting the lower levels of the boat with higher light levels and overhead lighting at lower levels worked. It does depend very much on the location and finish of the craft as lighting does vary from finish to finish, so i understand and agree with your earlier point as a friend tried the same on his boat and the result was very different.
Navigation lights are similar, they were made using a combination of LED's with different brightnesses and viewing angles and using a number of conceled wide viewing angled LED's to light the reflector.
It is very much down to the individual, i personally hate halogen lighting as i often find it too harsh, but again it is down to each individuals eyes and the finish in the boat. With my experimentation i found what was best for us.
Madhatter
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The Nautical equivalent of leaving your fog lights on on the car on a clear night. Just the job to make you look a real prat with more money than sense & no taste at all.
Yeah, go for it. It pays to advertise, & all sensible people will know to keep well clear of you 'coz you'll be blasting disco, or house muzak out all night on an otherwise lovely anchorage.
jfm
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Thanks Assassin. It's tricky stuff then, with lots of experimentation needed to get it right. As I say, I haven't found a high enough CRI ceiling downlighter to replace the halogens and make things look not flat. To be honest I quite like the look of halogens (all I hate is their current draw!) so I'm ok to wait till a nicer LED product comes along. You are under more pressure to find an LED if you hate halogens (sheesh, there must be about 80 halogens on a p64. What are you going to do?)
On the reflector thing i think you can get away without reflectors if you find the right LEDs because their output is directional
Are you going to LED-ise the p64?
Assassin
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You cannot get away without the reflector, it is this which works with the diffuser to give a better light, and it is not as bad as people think labour wise, the problems come with using overly powerful LED's. It is the more powerful LED's which have the very narrow viewing angle, a mistake i made, and considering we only have light about 7' of height as a maximum i fired some back towards the reflector to give a flatter and more even light.
I do have a number of 10W halogen bulbs, these are daylight balanced and came from a contact in the lighting industry, so will do as a stopgap until i set to with fitting LED lighting.
I do have a number of 10W halogen bulbs, these are daylight balanced and came from a contact in the lighting industry, so will do as a stopgap until i set to with fitting LED lighting.
jfm
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Thanks. I see your point, if you're trying to avoid narrow beam angle (though, I'm not sure I'd want to as much as you might wish to - each to their own on that). Did you find LEDs with a high enough CRI? Reflecting and diffusing the light doesn't alter the CRI afaik and it's the CRI that makes the whole thing feel nice
petem
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Particularly at this time of year (i.e. the Winter)!
jonnybuoy
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I reckon we should all calm down and fit some nice illuminated boat signage - blingtastic!
AndieMac
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Assassin
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To be honest the CRI is not really a problem, this is basically compensated for by the use of the reflector and diffused lenses where necessary, the original halogen lenses were diffused and they sufficed on my previous boat.
If you are looking to genuinely replace yours i would do what i did, make up one dummy shell and experiment a little, with 50 white 3mm LED's costing around £4.50 and resistors £1 per million it is a cheap and worthwhile option. You could replace one fitting and if you get it to your liking you could replicate them throughout your craft, if you cannot get it to your liking then make a few LED torches for the boat.
If you are looking to replace the nav lights, well they are very simple, but i would recommend a reflector and a number of rearward facing LED's to light the reflector as it gives a better light.
My experience was to find a good quality LED, and with the recent improvenents it is much easier as the poor manufacturers have gone to the wall, the rest provide good quality products.
If you are looking to genuinely replace yours i would do what i did, make up one dummy shell and experiment a little, with 50 white 3mm LED's costing around £4.50 and resistors £1 per million it is a cheap and worthwhile option. You could replace one fitting and if you get it to your liking you could replicate them throughout your craft, if you cannot get it to your liking then make a few LED torches for the boat.
If you are looking to replace the nav lights, well they are very simple, but i would recommend a reflector and a number of rearward facing LED's to light the reflector as it gives a better light.
My experience was to find a good quality LED, and with the recent improvenents it is much easier as the poor manufacturers have gone to the wall, the rest provide good quality products.