Boat underwater LED lights

[hlb]

On the lights I agree with ACE1 - to each their own and it would be indeed a boring world if everyone followed the same preferences. For me. if I'm honest, I kinda like em on the right boat. But aside from that I have just chuckled for 10 mins reading through the replies which have gone way off topic, but are very funny - I reckon this is a great post, HLB must love it.

Oh I do, Makes me wonder why folk buy MBY at all,, I've just got a copy given by Kwackers. The head lines on the front are.


Five Great Cruising Adventures.

Now what's the point of you lot reading that, theres none of you ever got further than the Folly Inn. Or the bleeding sea horse place.

A gentle cruise to us used to be. Nip round the CI's, down to Brittainy, up to the Solent, then a steady cruise down the coast back to Plymouth. Only about 6oo miles of a round trip. The Scillies for a little trip. Then it was round to Wales and over to Ireland for the second time round. Welsh Mob are talking about Scotland next year and the Canadonian canal.

No wonder you've got nowt to write about. Go down to the Scilly Isles or Alderney, look what the Germans did to the place.

Try getting off yer arse, then come back and snigger about needing a yeoman plotter to get to Cowes.

 

[jonnybuoy]

Oh I do, Makes me wonder why folk buy MBY at all,, I've just got a copy given by Kwackers. The head lines on the front are.


Five Great Cruising Adventures.

Now what's the point of you lot reading that, theres none of you ever got further than the Folly Inn. Or the bleeding sea horse place.

A gentle cruise to us used to be. Nip round the CI's, down to Brittainy, up to the Solent, then a steady cruise down the coast back to Plymouth. Only about 6oo miles of a round trip. The Scillies for a little trip. Then it was round to Wales and over to Ireland for the second time round. Welsh Mob are talking about Scotland next year and the Canadonian canal.

No wonder you've got nowt to write about. Go down to the Scilly Isles or Alderney, look what the Germans did to the place.

Try getting off yer arse, then come back and snigger about needing a yeoman plotter to get to Cowes.

HLB with due respect having seen your posts over the past years sounds like you have a lot of time to do those long trips that a lot of us with 20 days holiday a year and a family can only dream of. We all have our boats and love them and I am sure use them when we can even if that is only the "feeble" trips you infer. I for one have learned a lot from this forum. And back to the subject matter hell yes I am going to fit underwater lights.
Jon.

 

[hlb]

HLB with due respect having seen your posts over the past years sounds like you have a lot of time to do those long trips that a lot of us with 20 days holiday a year and a family can only dream of. We all have our boats and love them and I am sure use them when we can even if that is only the "feeble" trips you infer. I for one have learned a lot from this forum. And back to the subject matter hell yes I am going to fit underwater lights.
Jon.

Dont be silly. Alderney is only 3 or 4 hours there and the same back. You can do it with ease at the weekend.

Go and do it. I'll promise you it will give you a far bigger buzz than underwater lights.

 

[jfm]

Listen Searush and HLB. Lumishore is a new British company, owned by two guys (one of whom is a forumite) who have taken a big risk by putting a big chunk of their life savings into the business to make it from scratch. They are trying to build this business, and doing pretty well, but obviously they need to generate sales. Now, you might not like their product or get the "fun" part that EME mentions above, and that's fine. But why don't you at least stop talking down their product? Either help them make the business succeed, or shut the F up. You have presumably noticed there is a recession and that starting/growing a business is tough? So give em some encouragement and even help them out. Or at least don't post snide remarks about those of us who have chosen to be their customers

Searush, have you ever invested (and risked losing) a really big chunk of money into a business and built it from nowt, to a point where it is generating real export income for the country? No, I didn't think so. Yet you're happy to post negative remarks on the products made by those who have taken such a risk. In contrast, EME (one of the Lumishore shareholders) doesn't post anything negative about your bike shop does he? Who has the more manners? You should apologise if you have any backbone

HLB I know you've invested in extrusion machines and trucks and stuff but that is a different scale mate to the size of investment needed for something like Lumishore. Your numbers are just a rounding difference in comparison.

So either help these guys build their fine business, or if you wont then at least stop trying to damage them with your negative publicity.

 

[PaulGooch]

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A gentle cruise to us used to be. Nip round the CI's, down to Brittainy, up to the Solent, then a steady cruise down the coast back to Plymouth. Only about 6oo miles of a round trip. The Scillies for a little trip. Then it was round to Wales and over to Ireland for the second time round. Welsh Mob are talking about Scotland next year and the Canadonian canal

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Yeah, but that was when red was 50p a gallon. Now your boat drinks a fivers worth a mile, how many of the 600 mile (£3,000) joy rides are you taking Haydn ?

In the real World, some of us are struggling to survive, never mind making £3k jaunts.

 

[ash12]

Some stern words there from jfm. Yea but seriously it is hard starting a business anytime whether in a recession or not. Personally I would not buy the lumishore as I would have no use for them being on a muddy estuary but if I had the boat in clear blue waters I would deffo invest in them as I think they are a great idea and product especially with that colour controller thingy.

 

[ash12]

Yeah, but that was when red was 50p a gallon. Now your boat drinks a fivers worth a mile, how many of the 600 mile (£3,000) joy rides are you taking Haydn ?

In the real World, some of us are struggling to survive, never mind making £3k jaunts.

Agreed. Personally I now use the river more than ever and I like having barbecues in secluded places, just like a cove but without the added cost of high fuel usage

 

[hlb]

Yeah, but that was when red was 50p a gallon. Now your boat drinks a fivers worth a mile, how many of the 600 mile (£3,000) joy rides are you taking Haydn ?

In the real World, some of us are struggling to survive, never mind making £3k jaunts.

Actually it was more like 25p a litre, or even less some places, so I take your point. However it was still only 35p in Guernsey last time I knew, so theres a profit to be made by going there.

You can still have quite long cruises by keeping the speed down and anchoring over night, then plodding on a bit further the day after.

JFM, You know me well enough to know, I would never rubbish anyones business, let alone a start up one. But then I'm not rubbishing his business, good luck to him. My plastic beading that stuck to millions of wardrobes, was a bit naff as well. But I made good money out of it and the customers liked it.

I just made sure there was none in my house, thats all.

 

[Searush]

Wow! Highly entertaining thread, thanks all for your input.

Sorry I have been of line for a little while, but to answer some of the comments, in no particular order;

I apologise I hadn't spotted that the OP was a newbie. I was not wishing to chase him off, I just thought "O' Lord the giftie gie' us to see oursel's as other's see us". I know what others think of me so why shouldn't I return the compliment? I suspect the OP had not realised that such bling would make him look like Medallion Man with a Zapato Moustache & gold spandex to some boaters. But as already said, each to their own, I can understand that not everyone wants to look like Santa.

As Haydn says, the forum is as much to entertain as inform & banter is an important part. I have learned a lot on here about MoBo issues that I was completely unaware of. Have a look at Scuttlebutt from time to time to learn about raggie issues.

JFM, I have successfully built a business from scratch on a business model that most calculations said wouldn't work. But I made it work by building a reputation for customer care & quality service at a good price. I never made any money at it, but that was never the aim, it was a self-financing charitable organisation based on recycling & helping people regain self-belief. I have never had large sums of money to put into a business & probably wouldn't be interested in doing it anyway. I earned to live rather than live to earn. I get my kicks from stuff other than money & power. Oh, and I am a C.Eng & have an MBA - but never bothered with boaty quals.

As to the supplier of these lights, I hope they are all exported (America & the Russian nouveau riche seem to be excellent markets). My son-in-law works for Wrigleys, but I deeply detest chewing gum all the same (their mints are ok tho'). Underwater lights are completely pointless & somewhat dangerous as they must interfere with legal nav lights if used on passage. There are enough important things to buy for a boat that adding superflous nonsense is simply daft. Why couldn't they design a useful product rather than one that is a complete waste of the Earth's resources?

 

[jfm]

JFM, I have successfully built a business from scratch ... I never made any money at it

Well then it's a bloody sideshow not a successful business. It's a good job we don't all earn to live or whatever you call it Searush. Next time you drive to your boat on nice roads, or your kids would like an education, or you need some medical care, remember that it's all paid for by folks who have built businesses (the proper ones that generate wealth) and pay 6-digit or 2-comma numbers in tax each year. And most of them risked chunky capital to create their businesses

Look, you can do as you wish. I'm all for live and let live. But when someone else is investing life savings in building a proper business that exports and makes profits and pays for your roads and hospitals, just have the courtesy please not to talk down their products and insult their customers. That's all I'm saying. Oh, and take notice that they have the courtesy not to talk down your products

Why couldn't they design a useful product rather than one that is a complete waste of the Earth's resources?

Um, creating enjoyment and enabling people to have fun is a very good use of the world's resources. You have a 30foot boat, which has consumed far more of the world's resources than my 6 diddy underwater lights. It's absurd of you to argue that your boat is a good use of resources but someone else's u/w lights aren't

 

[jfm]

JFM, You know me well enough to know, I would never rubbish anyones business, let alone a start up one. But then I'm not rubbishing his business, good luck to him.

I'm sorry Haydn but you are. Searush described Lumishore's products as "Just the job to make you look a real prat with more money than sense & no taste at all." which is talking down their products and encouraging people not to buy them, and you're supporting him.

I'm not asking you to like u/w lights; I'm merely asking you please to recognise that lots of other folks (in warmer climes) do like them, and I'm asking you not to talk down the product that these 2 UK guys (incl a fellow forumite) have chucked a massive investment into engineering and marketing.

 

[AndieMac]

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[Bajansailor]

Getting back to the lights themselves, they certainly do look very impressive - apart from the photos posted earlier, I saw a large motor yacht here (I think it might have been Octopus) with them on at night, and she was quite stunning.

I suppose they would look impressive while the vessel is underway as well - or do the lights then get 'lost' in the wake?

Just had a look at the FAQ on the Lumishore website - http://www.lumishore.com/product-facts/faqs.html and re Q 40, ref watertight integrity, they present a convincing case for their quad seal process.
However I am thinking they could still be vulnerable to sabotage by unsavoury characters - how difficult would it be to create a hole in the hull if you gave one of these lights a good thump with a hammer underwater?
I can't help but think of those movies where the the baddies (try to) drill holes in the hull to sink the hero's boat - if he had some LED lights, I hope that it would still be difficult to sabotage them.

 

[Assassin]

Why all the arguments about whether the LED lights are useful, gimmics, or unnecessary; it is an emerging technology which is useful to many sections of society. My previous boat now recently departed had LED lighting to replace the original lighting and was a benefit due to very low power consumption, a benefit to all boaters with small battery packs, or low battery capacity. LED lighting will replace most other forms of lighting in years to come, it happens that a number of us actually use them, and some of us use them for many things including navigation or anchor lighting. While this may be deemed a practical use of LED technology it has implications for others, one friend had a condition of berthing which meant navigation lights remained on at all times. After making him a set of nav lights it meant instead of about 10 hours use before his batteries were flat, he could leave them unattended for about 50 days before his batteries went flat. This meant he did not to visit his boat daily to run his engines to recharge his batteries, and still comply with the conditions of mooring on his pile.

Who really cares if people use them for other purposes, if that is their choice, then fine.

 

[longjohnsilver]

one friend had a condition of berthing which meant navigation lights remained on at all times

I'm intrigued, please tell us more.......

 

[MapisM]

I saw a large motor yacht here (I think it might have been Octopus) with them on at night, and she was quite stunning.

Are you sure it wasn't Tatoosh?
I saw her moored in your harbour just a few weeks ago.
I also took some pics, but don't have them with me so can't post them at the moment. Can do next week, if anyone's interested - worth looking for her tender alone!
Anyway. Funny how this subject pops up regularly and attracts such opposite views - both of which understandable, to some extent.
But in EME's boots, I wouldn't worry about it. Quite the opposite, in fact.
From his business viewpoint, is it obviously much better to have threads like this popping up on the web now and again, rather than nobody ever talking about u/w lights. Even more so considering that the detractors consider useless these things per se (as I also do, to some extent), but have nothing against HIS specific products, which are widely recognised as the best in the industry.
Just to throw in another 2 cents, I'm (re)posting a pic of a vessel which hopefully also Searush wouldn't mind circumnavigating with, in spite of her u/w lights. I for one wouldn't, anyway.
She's for sale with an asking price of $46M, if anyone's interested...

 

[gjgm]

Oh I do, Makes me wonder why folk buy MBY at all,, I've just got a copy given by Kwackers. The head lines on the front are.


Five Great Cruising Adventures.

Now what's the point of you lot reading that, theres none of you ever got further than the Folly Inn. Or the bleeding sea horse place.

A gentle cruise to us used to be. Nip round the CI's, down to Brittainy, up to the Solent, then a steady cruise down the coast back to Plymouth. Only about 6oo miles of a round trip. The Scillies for a little trip. Then it was round to Wales and over to Ireland for the second time round. Welsh Mob are talking about Scotland next year and the Canadonian canal.

No wonder you've got nowt to write about. Go down to the Scilly Isles or Alderney, look what the Germans did to the place.

Try getting off yer arse, then come back and snigger about needing a yeoman plotter to get to Cowes.

Yes, I think we all know by now about your boating-and your attitude to anyone who hasnt been as far as you.
Isnt it about time you accepted that people enjoy their boating-whatever it is about boating they enjoy, rather than be expected live to your interpretation ? Its just a passtime and a bit of fun. I hope you enjoy your boating, bcz I enjoy mine.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Well then it's a bloody sideshow not a successful business. It's a good job we don't all earn to live or whatever you call it Searush. Next time you drive to your boat on nice roads, or your kids would like an education, or you need some medical care, remember that it's all paid for by folks who have built businesses (the proper ones that generate wealth) and pay 6-digit or 2-comma numbers in tax each year. And most of them risked chunky capital to create their businesses

Look, you can do as you wish. I'm all for live and let live. But when someone else is investing life savings in building a proper business that exports and makes profits and pays for your roads and hospitals, just have the courtesy please not to talk down their products and insult their customers. That's all I'm saying. Oh, and take notice that they have the courtesy not to talk down your products

Agree with everything you say above regarding who actually generates the taxable wealth in this country, jfm. Perhaps those yobs picketing TopShop the other day should have been given a basic economics lesson as punishment. However, to be fair, I'm not sure that either hlb or Searush were aware of the forum connection with Lumishore and, perhaps, they would have been more circumspect if they were

Um, creating enjoyment and enabling people to have fun is a very good use of the world's resources. You have a 30foot boat, which has consumed far more of the world's resources than my 6 diddy underwater lights. It's absurd of you to argue that your boat is a good use of resources but someone else's u/w lights aren't

Yeah this is the thing that makes me laugh about eco-zealots. Their carbon emissions are always good and worthy but yours or mine are killing the planet. There was a little piece in the paper yesterday about the MMGW conference in Cancun having a carbon footprint as big as a 4500 person town in the UK for a whole year. Praps they'd do more good staying at home

 

[Magnum]

I wouldn't have underwater LEDs on my boat, but I totally respect the right of others to have them. Furthermore, I wouldn't dream of slagging them off just because they are not my cup of tea. Unfortunately some people enjoy deriding the choices of others and they invariably are motivated by jealousy and envy.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Good Lord. I had switched off the plotter in order to save my batteries, and was navigating to Cowes by astro-navigation. Do you think some of the stars have moved, and no one has updated me?

Yes they have. Haven't you heard? It was on Scuttlebutt a few months ago. The North Star has moved approx 2 million light years from its previous position and the Climate Change Unit at East Anglia University (sic) have determined that it was due to the massive gravitational pull exerted by the wash of a 120ft motor boat powering down Southampton Water in July