Boat test result

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This is the result of a test we had on a Cranchi Zaffiro 34 with twin Volvo D4 260hp engines.

Swmbo and myself are looking to get a bigger boat, we have always had a liking for the internal layout of the Cranchi Zaffiro 34 and the great friendly service from the dealer in Port Solent. Today we went for a 2hr test drive, both swmbo and myself drove the boat and what blistering performance it produced for us. The boat is ultra stable, has a superb turning circle and is very, very responsive. The power from the D4's brings the boat from a standstill to 'on the plane' very quickly and effortlessly, and the cruising is so easy even taking large wake in it's stride.

The inside of the boat is of a very high specification giving a large forward and lovely aft cabin with twin beds that can easily adapt to a double with a simple manoever. The centre lounge/kitchen area is large enough with a lovely wood finish and good quality fittings.

The engine bay is very large and gives plenty of storage and easy access to the state of the art D4 engines. Both engines had 50hrs on them and were as clean as a whistle and have had their first service.

The exterior of the boat is interesting, the best point being the large flat bow that has easy access by two large walkways one each side of the boat. The bathing platform is large and finished in Flexi teak to complement the rest of the cockpit which is finished in the same. The helm position is one of the points that I felt let it down for me, the bolster seat when raised gives an uncomfortable pain to your bum as it is not that well padded and you can feel the edge of the plywood base, this is such a simple point that you would have thought it would have been addressed by now. The height of the wind shield screen is another problem for me, with my height my eye line is directly in line with the top of the screen, this made me want to either duck a little or stand up to see over it, sitting with the bolster down was not a problem but then vision over the bow was reduced.

The upholstry of the boat is in what swmbo described as the colour of the ceiling in a working mans club, a yucky type of off white which complemented the totally white cockpit and off white canvas, all in all disgustingly boringly white and off white. The shelter from wind when travelling at 40knts is non existant, the low profile of the boat and the screen gives no shelter at all to the occupants from the wind and would for us be a major issue on a long journey. We have a 4yr old and some retired relatives, this was one of our big concerns as swmbo had her hood up on her coat throughout the trip and this is summer! My 25ft er gives much more protection than this boat in this area which is very surprising. The lack of an outside cooker is dissapointing although a cockpit fridge is a welcome addition, together with a sink.

So where are we now? In simple terms the WOW factor was lost, the boat looks bland from the outside due to it's colourings, that is a shame as it doesn't do it justice as they seem to have got the inside right with the lovely wood. We looked at two other boats afterwards due to our feelings, one was the Endurance 39, which is now replced by the 40 and an Esmeralda or something like that. The Endurance gave up it;s forward cabing for a larger social lounge area, something the 34 lacked, but the rear cabis were almost identical. The Esmeraldo looked dated, the radar arch was square and I think this model is probably on it's way out.

I have to say that I love the look of my boat, it is more of the Targa colours and appeals to my eye, I can't for the sake of me fall in love with the Zaffiro as it is from the outside. There are some corrections that could be done, new covers in blue, blue fenders and blue lines, this 'may' help.

We are still in discussion, swmbo have taken serious note of what people have said on this forum, and all I can do is thank you all for that. What I do see is that it doesn't seem we will get our dream boat in a 34 ft er, and does it make economic sense to give up a most fantastic new boat for the sake of building up confidence. swmbo and I had no problem whatsoever adapting to driving this boat, and what concerns me is that after another 6 weeks we would want a 42 ft er.

I don't even know why I got myself into this situation, we should embrace the moment and thoroughly enjoy the boat we have which is a fantastic setup, economical, speedy, well finished and stylish.

I will see what the morning brings, but I can see now how easy it is to take things for granted and want more, but when that more is for the sake of it and not the end of wanting, then why do it?

The new Cranchi 43 is being launched in a couple of months and is just this side of £300k and great value for money. It seems from the dealer that we could get a good px deal on our boat on one of these, so perhaps finishing the season in my boat is a prudent move.

BUT no decision has been made as yet as there is a flickering flame still alight regarding the Zaffiro 34 that has not yet been extinguished /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Thanks again to all for your advice and support, I promise you that it has all been taken into consideration /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
good stuff. I think you may costy ourself a lot of money upgrading a teeny bit each year?

the big change in what you plan of course is that you cannot trailer it about easily if at all. I think you use that feature?

Anyway, nice cheap day out, what the heck!
 
You'll know what to do after a kip , and due consideration , but if you have doubts about the change , but no doubts about what you have , ?
 
I think perhaps you are right, as for cheap day out I don't think so, lost time going from London to Port Solent by train and swmbo diverting from Swindon to Port Solent in order that we could both take part in the test. I would like to say that the service provided by the dealer was second to none, and I see this being remembered for a long time, but all is not over yet /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
There is a saying 'if in doubt leave it out', I have spoken to a forum member tonight and I think he is right in saying that when you see and find the boat you want then you get a feeling for it, I didn't get that I'm afraid, but I am desperately trying to get it, this could be a wrong move though.

Whoever it was who said take your time and get out on the boats is dead right, looks aren't everything, and even with the little experience I have you get to know what you like and expect from a boat and what is not nice. If I am spending a load of money then I would prefer not to have to face 'not nice' every time I went out in it, how could I live with myself after having so much fun in my present boat and then buying a boat without 'the spark/WOW factor', having given mine with the WOW factor (to me) away /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
If you didn't get that feelinng Pete , it may well be worth enjoying what you have until the right one comes along . You only need to look at my experiences with what I want , and what is more sensible
 
ok ok, i meant renting the thing wd cost a Few Quid more tho?

A very long-time highly-rated good guy for bpats around the size you seek at port solent is poster Stellican, worth a pm imho. I dunno the boats but i do know the guy...
 
Hi Pete,,i looked at the boat you have just tested, only on the hard,,i think that boat new would have been around 145k ,, then the previouse owner spent anouther 5k on the teak dekingand heating,, so you have a nearly new boat which had cost the original owner cirrca 150k plus,, for under
130k which you can make an offer on,,although i dont think the owner has been very flexible in the past.. according too Russell at abersoch these boats should drop around 5k per year,,working on this assumption you could have a couple of years use out of the bost ,then almost get you money back,, not a bad deal,,,the 39 you looked at was it called scopio or something like that,,i know it has 500 hrs on the clock and its a 2003 boat with the bigger engines in,, it was owened by Dave Hirst aforum member , you could get the full lowdown from him,, ilove the helm position on this boat,, as for the smeraldo i wasnt too impressed with the helm ergonomics i felt like it had the steering position of a milkfloat,,,but i do understand there is a new smeraldo being launched this year,,although i really love the 39 ,, ithink i would go with the zaffiro,,
Dave
 
"and what concerns me is that after another 6 weeks we would want a 42 ft er".


Yer didnt read my last post to you did you? You might as well go straight to the 39-40 ft, there is no real difference in handling from the 34 twin but much more besides.

Two days ago I was on a charter on my 36 ft fly, and yesterday on a 61 ft fly.
The latter is a bit bigger in the Marina so you adjust accordingley however the upside is she is more planted in a cross wind and has bow and stern thrusters.

Go for it Pete.....................................
 
Your Forum buddy is right.
When you find the boat for you you'll know it. Same with houses. If it doesn't feel right it isn't right.

When I first saw the Nimbus Nova at a show it was love at first sight. It took me a long while to rationalise and accept the price and I looked at other boats, but in the end I had to have it.

With the sums you're talking my advice would be to wait until a boat comes along that you just absolutely have to have.

Good Luck.
Petrolia
 
Clive, on the contrary, I have read what you posted together with what others have said, hence the position I now find myself in. I want everyone to know I have listened and will continue to do so. Only a fool would disregard such sound advice that has been posted!
 
Hi Pete,

Funnily enough you came up with the same compromises I did, except I liked the wind in the Hair moment....

For me the sure sea handling, great layout and poise overshadows the low seating and poor covers. The covers as you say can be changed, but if you felt disappointment then it is all over for you and the Z34. Ironically enough, the reasons it does not sell second hand well in the Uk (looks) are the reason they are popular in the med as the seating and covers soak up the sun and do not show their age out there.

Glad you tested it on the water first, and remember you do still have a great new boat to have fun on. I would definitely now wait untill SIBS to get a feel for all boats. I must admit that the Absolute 42 or V42 would be high on my list given your criteria. Of course there is also the Targa 38 which is as, yet, unproven. Might be worth giving Essex a call and testing the V42 and see if they have a T38 coming in that you can try out.

I think in your situation making a rationale decision is very sensible!

Great write up, I am amazed you used your head when buying a boat as I always follow my heart! I suppose in this case neither your Head or heart was in it...

Paul
 
Pete,

Trevor at Essex Boatyards (Port Solent) has a very nice 2005 Targa 43 that he just offered me. I can't afford it, but would if I could (but I can't). Might be worth a look?
 
Good report, GC1. A few years ago, I was considering a Cranchi and I actually visited their factory whilst I was in N Italy on business. I thought their production capability and quality control was first class, certainly better than the Brit builders I've seen, but I came to the same conclusion as you. Somehow the Cranchi boats lack the wow factor which is rather odd for an Italian builder. I found the exteriors bland looking and some areas really grated with me. I'm not sure they do it now on current boats, but they used to use metal angle for the toerail rather than the toerail being part of the moulding and the underside of the bow sprit was unfinished grp. The interiors were just as uninspiring with large areas of plain grp and less woodwork than other boats. This is a shame because I hear that Cranchi's are not bad boats at all and with a little more imagination, they could have that missing wow factor
I agree with the others. If testing the Z34 did'nt give you that immediate rush of having to have one then you should'nt go for it especially given that there are so many other boats in this size/price range. Also with SIBS coming up and the winter when you should be able to strike a better deal, maybe its a good idea to enjoy what you have at the moment
If you're looking for a bit of protection from the elements, maybe you should also consider a flybridge boat as flybridges begin to make sense from 35' upwards
 
Yes Mike, similar feelings although the interiors now are very nicely finished in wood compared to a couple of years ago when they were the white MFI type finish.

You know I have been thinking very deeply during the last 24 hrs, what I did notice was that I seemed to have had the best boating in my life during the past six weeks, filled with fun and enjoyment, and isn't that what it is all about?

What seems to have happened is the 'spoilt bratt' has appeared and the want for bigger and better with the excuse, yes, done that, lets get bigger NOW. Since researching and looking into the 'bigger' boat, my mind has gone off my boat and onto the ones I am looking at, with that comes stress and precious time taken up with viewing them e.t.c.

I am taking note of wise comments from my personal boating advisor and the rest of you on the forum and sticking with what I have, UNLESS fate brings the dream boat right in front of me. SIBS will be my next call, I will spend a few days catching everything in the one place and ensure that I target what I think may be that boat. I will also NEVER buy a boat without a sea trial, I have seen a dream shattered by common sense practical feedback from swmbo, she is a joint owner and partner in this and deserves to have her points listened to, especially when she now seems to be helming more and more and loving every minute.

I guess that I will be crawling into my mid berth cave for a few months more, but that is a minor part of the extreme excitement and joy of owning our fantastic looking and performing Larson diesel 240.

Another thing that has really brought things home is the stories from poor Gludy, how I feel for him as it shows that no matter what you spend you can still have problems. I am sure that Gludy would have loved to have enjoyed the same as I have over the last six weeks with his boat, but circumstances have robbed him of that, how can a price be put on that? To me the last six weekends have been priceless and pure enjoyment with my family, away from all the cares in the world.

Sorry for turning into a soppy git, but I do feel that things have changed recently, it could be to do with me actually listening to what people are saying to me e.g. you lot /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Well I have certainly enjoyed seeing your pictures and reading about the various places you have been over the last few weeks and whilst you are still having a good time with the Larson I would have thought it makes sense to run the current boat until you see another one that you absolutely have to have. It's not as if you are going to stop looking after all; does anyone, ever stop looking?
 
Having stumbled across this part of the forum I now know why boat sales are becoming more difficult.
Whilst some of the comments are factual, if potential buyers are being led by the assumed facts and opinions of some of the contributors, we may as well give up and install a vending machine.
After over 30 years in this business I am still amazed by the number of clients who will willingly spend vast quantities of their hard earned cash based on the say so of a friend who 'knows about boats' because he has been at for ten minutes longer than they have.
Whilst I appreciate that everyone (including myself!) has an inbuilt mistrust of sales staff, try talking to delivery skippers, surveyors. instructors or shipwrights to get a balanced opinion of what is good or bad.
 
Ooh, tweaked a nerve somewhere, I guess. This forum is all about opinion; it would be a bit boring if it was'nt and we're all entitled to them, even GC1
Who are you, Mr Mystery Boatperson? Something to do with Cranchi, maybe?
 
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