rbcoomer
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Blimey - it gets better and better... TWO new boat build threads in one! 
Boat in build pics (Squadron 78)
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MYAG
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Well what a surprise
great stuff and congrats. Are you gonna start a new thread or continue on this one, might be easier to find everything in one place for the future and to compare?I shall start preparing my must have list for your boat.......
MYAG
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I was merely planning to order a novurania 430 from florida,............ with the Yam 70.................
Interesting, what is the output of the 70? The 430 starts walking at 34-35 mph (wot) with the 60 on the standard prop, afaik you could buy a 70 with the 430 a while back but it was stopped for this reason. Might be much better for pulling skiiers out though.
Cookee
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We could do the refurb route and depending on the price it could work out OK but I think new would be better - I would hope to work with a manufacturer and start with a bare hull and add the console and seating. All of the above is not a problem and well within our abilities. I assume the Novu 430 has the perfect layout of a benchseat, a suicide seat and a bow seat?
Given peoples comments on the ability of a hull to cope we might be better off starting with the motor and trying it on some hulls. cavitation plate fins can be a great help but are awful on some hulls, having said that getting the right prop and engine height can sort a lot of issues out.
Would you want the hood that's on the Novu as well?
It's easy to put the name of the boat in the flooring as well, they even put little lights in those but that's up to individual taste!
One addition to the above I might suggest would be red LED downlighters which illuminate the floor without being able to see direct light - it makes putting your feet in the right place in the dark a lot easier and gives a red glow to the boat at night.
Pinnacle
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jfm
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Thanks MYAG. Novu (well Renee, their distributor whom i think you know) emailed me only a few weeks ago to say they will do the 430 with 70, and that they have done 6 or so of them, and didn't mention any probs
It would mainly be for pulling skiers or blasting out of the hole with 5 fatgits on board, rather than top end all out jittery speed. Though I'll have to get my kids to understand that! And that "70" badge with the sleek new curvy-assed cowl on the 70 would look good.
My Avon se400 with the 50yam (same engine as 60, as you know, but detuned via the ECU) is fine at WOT all day. Nice and fast but not jittery, but 4mph less than yours of course. IMO the hull design on the avon se400 where it extends aftwards either side of the prop contributes greatly to good handling of the boat
When your 430 accelerates out of the hole up onto the plane, do you get lots of bow lift that makes you want a passenger in the bow, or does it rise nicely onto the plane even with just one person or two persons sitting on the aft bench seat and no-one in the bow?
Cookee
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Just had a very interesting conversation about the tender project - it's baby steps at the moment but I think we have a runner!
Firefly625
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I knew he wouldn't be able to resist!!!!
.. so does that mean we get 2 build threads for the price of one?
mjf
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look! can we forget all this stuff on new boats and tenders and concentrate on the important issue of the replacement inflatable sofa colour? Thanks!
MYAG
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Hmmm, have they made some mods to the hull/tubes in that case? Renee knows her stuff, just make sure you order at least 8 months before you need the tender (and I really mean 8 months!)
Yep understand you perfectly, my 430 rises effortlessly and very nicely onto the plane even with a couple of fat gits on the aft bench or pulling a skiier. The only time I have found I needed someone siting in the bow seat is when I was pulling a Super Mable carrying 2/3 peeps.
Incidentally, I am off to FL tomorrow and have Vero Beach on my list of stops, will get the gen from the prod mgr.
MYAG
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JFM, the F70 on a DL430 will be superb for pulling heavy skiers etc; more power and higher gear ratio gives extra acceleration and is very noticeable over the F60, as I thought, you will need to watch the top end though and keep the rib under 34mph which it will exceed on the obligatory early morning bread/pastry run to shore etc. If I was buying another 430 today, I would go with the F70 and perhaps prop it a notch.
If I was buying another 430 today, I would go with the F70 and perhaps prop it a notch.
RobWales
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Well what can one say that's not been said.....?
Last night I finished watching the boxed set of the complete 6 series of the Soprano's which I had received at xmas...84 hours and gutted I have no more to view!
This morning I finally finished reading this thread which has taken me near a month to read (few posts at a time) since coming back to this site having been boatless for a number of years! hence double gutted!
Two amazing stories but only one being true.
Well done jfm look forward to the next 78!
Rob.
Last night I finished watching the boxed set of the complete 6 series of the Soprano's which I had received at xmas...84 hours and gutted I have no more to view!
This morning I finally finished reading this thread which has taken me near a month to read (few posts at a time) since coming back to this site having been boatless for a number of years! hence double gutted!
Two amazing stories but only one being true.
Well done jfm look forward to the next 78!
Rob.
jfm
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Just in the interests of being tidy I'll relate here end of this so far as my involvement is concerned. I sold Match to new owners and handed her over at beginning of July 2012, with the clocks showing about 280 hours and 3400nm after 18months since she was handed over by Fairline to me. She is still in France and has been cruising Cote D'Azur and Corsica with her new owners, but this sunday she goes to Genoa to get loaded onto a ship that will take her to rotterdam from where she will be sailed to her new home in Sweden. Her new owners are a Swedish/Belgian family - parents/grown up sons/grand children will often cruise on her together. I've been out on the boat with them and they sure know how to operate and berth the boat (they've had boats before) so Match will be in good hands. Wave if you see her in scandinavia. As far as i know, but I'm not sure, she is keeping her name (which actually has Swedish origins anyway, by coincidence).
Financially the transaction was great (thanks here to Essex Boatyards who brokered it). The boat was never advertised and was sold privately/quietly after discussions with a small number of serious buyers. Proves i think the financial logic of taking a production boat but differentiating it from the rest of the pack with must-have things like stabilisers and long range fuel tanks which easily command a few hundred £k of premium because they change the boat but cannot easly be retrofited
I kept the Laser (buyers wanted jetski) and the 3D picture of Bonifacio, and they will go on the new boat. Actually I'm trying to organise a jetski and a Laser on new boat...
I looked at/comnsidered lots of alternatives for new boat but for lots of reasons (my personal taste, and financial logic ie minimum depreciation) I've ordered another Squadron 78. Knowing the boat as well as i do means this one really will be perfect (at least, by my peculiar/personal definitions). Imagine if you custom built a house, then 2 years later built the exact same house again - you'd be able to cure all the little things you got wrong the first time like 230v socket in the wrong position, door not quite hinged correctly, lighting set up, and so on. I'll do a new build thread starting late September maybe, when the new boat is in the mould.
From me to Match's new owners, happy sailing guys
Financially the transaction was great (thanks here to Essex Boatyards who brokered it). The boat was never advertised and was sold privately/quietly after discussions with a small number of serious buyers. Proves i think the financial logic of taking a production boat but differentiating it from the rest of the pack with must-have things like stabilisers and long range fuel tanks which easily command a few hundred £k of premium because they change the boat but cannot easly be retrofited
I kept the Laser (buyers wanted jetski) and the 3D picture of Bonifacio, and they will go on the new boat. Actually I'm trying to organise a jetski and a Laser on new boat...
I looked at/comnsidered lots of alternatives for new boat but for lots of reasons (my personal taste, and financial logic ie minimum depreciation) I've ordered another Squadron 78. Knowing the boat as well as i do means this one really will be perfect (at least, by my peculiar/personal definitions
). Imagine if you custom built a house, then 2 years later built the exact same house again - you'd be able to cure all the little things you got wrong the first time like 230v socket in the wrong position, door not quite hinged correctly, lighting set up, and so on. I'll do a new build thread starting late September maybe, when the new boat is in the mould. From me to Match's new owners, happy sailing guys
jimmy_the_builder
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Wow, the light that burns twice as bright, shines half as long. Match was a truly fab boat, so I can't wait to see what you come up with as improvements. Congratulations on the sale, and very best wishes for the new build. And finally, most of all, thanks for all the great times on Match.
Cheers
Jimmy
Cheers
Jimmy
mjf
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Oh Yippie!
Another winter of build in progress reports - cant wait as last series was involving.
Many congrats by the way as you seem to have a deal that you are again very happy with but sans boat for the rest of the summer / autumn.
Did you keep the navtext thing?
Another winter of build in progress reports - cant wait as last series was involving.
Many congrats by the way as you seem to have a deal that you are again very happy with but sans boat for the rest of the summer / autumn.
Did you keep the navtext thing?
jfm
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Ah, my beloved ICS Nav4 Navtex printer...
No, I left it on Match. My local chandler in Antibes had a new one in stock in a tatty box; has been on his shelf for literally 10 years at €700 and no-one ever bought it. I dropped by and showed some interest and he couldn't believe it, and gave it to me for €150 with a big hug while looking to heaven chanting "Praise the Lord". So Match2 will have a 10 year old but new Nav4
. I need to join a Luddites forum, i know, but I love the Nav4
volvopaul
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Ah, my beloved ICS Nav4 Navtex printer...
No, I left it on Match. My local chandler in Antibes had a new one in stock in a tatty box; has been on his shelf for literally 10 years at €700 and no-one ever bought it. I dropped by and showed some interest and he couldn't believe it, and gave it to me for €150 with a big hug while looking to heaven chanting "Praise the Lord". So Match2 will have a 10 year old but new Nav4
John , I have one on my boat, but the big aerial that looks like a toy from Ann summers is in my garage, if it's good enough for match, I might have to reinstate it!!
DTIM
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John,
Glad the sale and handover went well. If the new owners are keeping the name when do we get get clues to the new name? If only in mould in Sept I take it she probably will not make LIBS?
Dave
Glad the sale and handover went well. If the new owners are keeping the name when do we get get clues to the new name? If only in mould in Sept I take it she probably will not make LIBS?
Dave
Hurricane
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Good luck with the new build - I'm sure we will all get to hear about it!!!
BTW
I nearly added a Jetski to our toys this year but the thought of kids and friends crashing into JW finally put the idea out of my mind.
At least a Rib has rubber tubes to cushion any impact.
BTW
I nearly added a Jetski to our toys this year but the thought of kids and friends crashing into JW finally put the idea out of my mind.
At least a Rib has rubber tubes to cushion any impact.
MapisM
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LOL, let me know if you'll find a good one.
I've got a Furono 207 meteofax+navtex printer onboard, and I suspect that it has been around for even more years than your ICS unit.
But no matter how hard I try to abuse it, it just keeps working, year after year.
Probably the most reliable bit of kit I've ever had.
PS: looking fwd to Match II build thread, that will be yet another epic story, surely!
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