lanerboy
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john where were you when they loaded her, did you position her in the slings ready for the lift
Boat in build pics (2013 Fairline Squadron 78)
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MapisM
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I guess it's now useless to know, but just in case you'd be interested in a possible explanation:
My understanding is that also most builders don't use heat-shrink films to cover their boats, also when new, because (depending also on the passage weather, of course) the thing might be constantly flapping against some parts of the boat which can even (day in, day out) be damaged - any gelcoat surfaces being among these parts. And upon arrival, boats need a good cleaning anyway.
Fwiw, the opposite view is that small oil drops coming out of the ship exhaust can make a proper mess on any external boat surfaces, requiring an extremely accurate cleaning upon arrival.
As an aside, I didn't notice that the boat on your port side is a 'hattan 73'.
Funny, doesn't she look bigger than M2? I mean, it's not just the HT instead of the bimini top, also the hull and the superstructure look a bit larger.
Or is it just an impression?
wakeup
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Sounds like BS to me, the manufacturers just want to keep the cost down I would have thought and probably no margin to make on the cost of the covers.
jfm
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MapisM, they don't just put a cover on. First they wrap all the might-be-scratched parts in low-tack plastic tape, plus some bubble wrap. All the s.s handrails and all corners/edges are covered in the low tack tape. Then they put the cover on. This works better than having it uncovered in my book becuase in any type of tail wind the black sludge from the ship's funnel lands on the boat and makes a proper mess. Tail winds are forecast for the entire portugal coast and gibraltar section of this journey too!
That's definitely a hattan 73. By coincidence Match2 was moored exactly alongside one for a few days in Essex, and also was alongside a hattan 70 for the last few weeks in southampton waiting for this ship. Sq78 is bigger than both. It is nearly 2m longer than hattan 73, of which half is hull and half is extra bathing platform. Hattan 73 is a lovely boat, and has a slightly higher gunwhale line than sq78, as is current trend, so better internal headroom I expect. Hattan 73 has a blunter bow - the Squadron has a much sharper entry and looks better in a head sea. Take a look at the bows in the youtube video I'll post in a few minutes. The HT on the manhattan is nice, though as you know I'm not really a fan. Squadron 78 will have a hardtop later this year but I didn't care enough about it to wait for it
Nautical
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6 of one half dozen of other re shrink wrap, had one of the first ORY into the US was shrink wrapped, 50 mph winds over the deck and a tiny piece started to tear, within a few hours the whole aft section had come loose and half beaten the gel coat down one side to death. Took a lot of work and time to get it back to perfect. Had another into Turkey that had tail winds most of the Indian Ocean and block soot all over a non shrunk wrapped boat, also lots of tiny spots of rust from the ships dry stack. Also took ages to get back to pristine. Now no shrink wrap cover and a water based type of grease (forgot what its called) smeared over all the bright work, low tack tape which is really wide on all the horizontal surfaces and widows, paint on plastic on the upper works that catch the muck. The decks get a pour on clear plastic resin which goes hard after a few hours and forms a thin sheet of plastic which you can pick at one corner and then the whole lot comes off in one sheet. So far commissioning time is reduced by 50% (the clean up bit).
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jfm
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Here is another vid, with a few clips lifted from Andy's video, of what is looking like the most video-ed ship loading in recent history 
I gotta say Sevenstar did a great job and I'm really pleased with their whole yacht transsport service. They've kept me well informed, attended the loading and made sure all details like anti chafe strips were done, gave me a lift back to my car, sourced me a cradle I was happy with (they sent me beauty parade photos of various cradles!) and all at a very fair price. Since the loading they have emailed me to tell me the ship is staying on anchor off IoW until strong winds have passed, which gives me confidence that the shipping co are careful with these cargoes. Also they didn't demand payment before I could see the ship was in Southampton and they gave me very fair terms allowing me to cancel if the ship was late. 10/10 stuff
I gotta say Sevenstar did a great job and I'm really pleased with their whole yacht transsport service. They've kept me well informed, attended the loading and made sure all details like anti chafe strips were done, gave me a lift back to my car, sourced me a cradle I was happy with (they sent me beauty parade photos of various cradles!) and all at a very fair price. Since the loading they have emailed me to tell me the ship is staying on anchor off IoW until strong winds have passed, which gives me confidence that the shipping co are careful with these cargoes. Also they didn't demand payment before I could see the ship was in Southampton and they gave me very fair terms allowing me to cancel if the ship was late. 10/10 stuff
henryf
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Ah bless....
So innocent.
Boats loaded, captain and crew go round the corner, drop the hook and party central. Until every last drop is drained from fridges, wine chillers, crew cellars and flybridge cool boxes that bad boy ain't going' nowhere.
Last info I had was that they'd bled Portsmouth dry of rentals and were sending out to Gosport for reinforcements.
There are going to be some mighty sore heads in the morning.
H
Bajansailor
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Ah bless....
So innocent.
Boats loaded, captain and crew go round the corner, drop the hook and party central. Until every last drop is drained from fridges, wine chillers, crew cellars and flybridge cool boxes that bad boy ain't going' nowhere.
Last info I had was that they'd bled Portsmouth dry of rentals and were sending out to Gosport for reinforcements.
There are going to be some mighty sore heads in the morning.
H
Henry, I do hope that your hypothesis is the correct one!
However many ship management companies now run 'dry' ships, with strict rules against having / bringing alcohol on board by the crew - never mind that the managers ashore are free to break open a beer whenever they want while 'off duty'.
I hope that Spliethoff still allow their crew to have a wee dram occasionally while on board.
Excellent videos Andy and John, thank you for posting.
I hope that the red ensign was taken down prior to sailing?
andy59
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Here is another little vid of some pretty casual helming whilst not at the helm , I think ?
Has the box of tricks got total control of Match John , or just the thrusters ?.
Has the box of tricks got total control of Match John , or just the thrusters ?.
Cardo
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Here is another vid, with a few clips lifted from Andy's video, of what is looking like the most video-ed ship loading in recent history
I gotta say Sevenstar did a great job and I'm really pleased with their whole yacht transsport service. They've kept me well informed, attended the loading and made sure all details like anti chafe strips were done, gave me a lift back to my car, sourced me a cradle I was happy with (they sent me beauty parade photos of various cradles!) and all at a very fair price. Since the loading they have emailed me to tell me the ship is staying on anchor off IoW until strong winds have passed, which gives me confidence that the shipping co are careful with these cargoes. Also they didn't demand payment before I could see the ship was in Southampton and they gave me very fair terms allowing me to cancel if the ship was late. 10/10 stuff
They certainly pack 'em in tight! I thought she was going to end up resting against the boat to her port side a few times!
jfm
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Thanks Andy!
The remote, which is a wired ZF unit not wireless and same as I had on Match1, controls gears, throttles and both thrusters, plus it lets you turn the engines off when you're done. As regards the thrusters it only controls them in binary full power or nothing, whereas the two helm stations on the boat have fully variable throttle controls for both thrusters. That's why you can see a white water wake from the bow thruster when I was using the remote. This isn't really a drawback and I'm not saying it is a problem, it's just that you can use the thrusters much more softly when on the main helm or flybridge without creating noise or wake. The remote is a fab gizmo though for bringing the boat up to a dock because you can sit on the gunwhale and see your approach right up until you kiss the dock (or ship) and can communicate with the person handling the lines
Piers
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jfm
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Ah bless....
So innocent.
Boats loaded, captain and crew go round the corner, drop the hook and party central. Until every last drop is drained from fridges, wine chillers, crew cellars and flybridge cool boxes that bad boy ain't going' nowhere.
Last info I had was that they'd bled Portsmouth dry of rentals and were sending out to Gosport for reinforcements.
There are going to be some mighty sore heads in the morning.
H
LOL!
Lucky we left the best bedlinens all freshly ironed on the beds then?
jfm
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Both hydraulic Piers, with PTOs on both engines and full data in the dashboard display screens (hyd oil temp and pressure, and a linear bar for each thruster telling you 0-100% thruster throttle setting). They also have a "hold" setting so you can put both thrusters on 10% (or whatever % you choose) pressing the boat onto the dock while you sort out lines. Etc. This is all Sleipner/SidePower gear - I wouldn't spec anything else currently.
scubaman
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Ah bless....
So innocent.
Boats loaded, captain and crew go round the corner, drop the hook and party central. Until every last drop is drained from fridges, wine chillers, crew cellars and flybridge cool boxes that bad boy ain't going' nowhere.
Last info I had was that they'd bled Portsmouth dry of rentals and were sending out to Gosport for reinforcements.
There are going to be some mighty sore heads in the morning.
H
Naah, it's the illegal arms and radio active material they have stashed below decks, they are worried about...
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MapisM
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LOL, funny you mention that.
As it happens, I know a thing or three about the ways used by manufacturers to keep the costs down.
And trust me, I'd be a VERY happy bunny if I'd buy a boat whose building costs were kept down just by not covering her during delivery...
That aside, it's actually in the builders' interest to find the best way to deliver the thing in perfect shape.
If they should spend for detailing (and possibly repairing) more than for the cover cost, what would be the point?
MapisM
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Yep, after looking at your last video I see what you mean.
Actually, even the gunwhale line doesn't seem lower than the SS73, in that clip...
Was M2 cradle slightly higher, maybe?
Anyway, fair winds to M2 for her trip.
Unfortunately, I'll be already in Sardinia by the time she'll arrive in Genoa, but I hope to meet you around there this summer.
It might be almost worth the trip just for going also down to Tunisia to refuel, with all the tankage you've got!
wakeup
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I would have thought that cleaning the boat after delivery is what the dealer gets paid for as part of their usually hard to justify PDI fee and therefore the manufacturer is able to push this cost/effort on to the dealer. Therefore why spend the money on covers.
dustywings
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Hasn't delivery formally taken place now and anything ongoing is jfm's problem - BMW dont come round and clean my car for me after I have taken delivery!
wakeup
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This was a more general point for discussion twix Mapis and me regading new boat delivery, a bit of thread drift away from the amazing Match 2 which as you rightly say is JFM's baby now to deliver to his home berth.
