John100156
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....and dont excercise them enough too! Then they wonder why the seize up....
Boat in build pics (2013 Fairline Squadron 78)
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....and dont excercise them enough too! Then they wonder why the seize up....
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Yes I agree but the boat builders don't help by putting them in inaccesible places that many owners won't find and then supplying a manual which doesn't show precisely where they are
jfm
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Deleted User, apologies for the geekiness, but i like to have an A4 laminated card "seacock plan" for the boat. This was first recommended to me by surveyor the late Graham Booth, and I have done it ever since on grounds it is a jolly good idea, esp if others drive or look after your boat in your absence. I think also it might be an MCA coding requirement but I've always said that even if your boat isn't coded you should try following the code anyway as it is 95% good stuff for a private family boat as much as for a charter boat. Easily made in MS publisher/Word/Paint, using an image grabbed from boatbuilder's website. The text boxes give the size of the seacok, its function, whether normally open or normally closed, and notes on access ("under square white plastic floor hatch" or suchlike)
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rafiki_
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Excellent idea. Will do 1 of these for Raf 2.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Not geeky at all. Ferretti supply a seacock plan in their manuals but it's a generalised plan rather than specific to your boat so I've annotated the plan for my particular boat in the same way as you. I've suffered siezed seacocks on boats in the past and I try to move all of them at least once a season.
On the subject of maintenance, what do Fairline give you in terms of maintenance manuals for a Sq78? Do they chuck a box full of proprietary manufacturer manuals at you and say get on with it or do they go further? Last season, I started a component database for my boat in which I started to list details of every component I could identify on the boat with it's description, part no, serial no, supplier, supplier website etc. The idea is, in the event of a component failure, I would be able to order a replacement immediately without going through the usual time wasting hassle of identifying the component and searching for a supplier. I often wonder why boat builders couldn't provide a similar document to new owners. After all, somewhere on the Autocad system in the design dept there must exist a complete list of components fitted to every boat they build?
A few US trawler yacht builders now sign new owners up to this service http://www.vesselvanguard.com/welcome whereby all the vessel's manuals and component lists are stored on an online database and the system warns the owner or skipper of when maintenance is due on every component. I have no first hand experience but it seems like a good idea to me provided of course that the info stored on your boat is accurate and comprehensive
jfm
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Fairline supply a manual for the whole boat but it is pretty lightweight and I never refer to it. Then they supply several cases of manufacturer's manuals covering all the bought-in components, which refer to from time to time (My top tip is throw away duplicates and rip out the non English/French language pages, and you cut the size of this pile to 1/3rd)
They do not supply a "database" of every fitted component, other than the stack of manuals. TBH, speaking personally, I dont think I want or need such a databse: i get very much under the floorboards of the boat and know every component reasonably well, and a lot of the stuff was specced by me, so if I need something I know exactly the part or have enough clues to find it quickly on the web. Also, the relationship one can have with Fairline far exceeds what you can have with Ferretti: I have the mobile numbers and emails of all the key guys who made/commissioned the boat annd I call them if they have the bit of information I needed to get me out of trouble, and they're all really helpful guys. I also have direct contact with and am customer of several key OEM suppliers
I rented a Robertson and Caine catamaran in the caribee last winter and that came with a full databse of all the equipment suppliers, in a lever arch file, but it didn't specify model numbers of the parts so it wasn't as great as it ought to have been. I mean you can look at the light fittings, say, to see they're made by Quick, so lugging around a book telling me the name/address/url of Quick doesn't tell me anything Google can't, tbh
IMHO the thing that keeps the boat going, free of breakdowns, is a 3G connection and a load of spare parts. You can get any info you want from the 'net, and if you have boxes of spares you're generally ok
They do not supply a "database" of every fitted component, other than the stack of manuals. TBH, speaking personally, I dont think I want or need such a databse: i get very much under the floorboards of the boat and know every component reasonably well, and a lot of the stuff was specced by me, so if I need something I know exactly the part or have enough clues to find it quickly on the web. Also, the relationship one can have with Fairline far exceeds what you can have with Ferretti: I have the mobile numbers and emails of all the key guys who made/commissioned the boat annd I call them if they have the bit of information I needed to get me out of trouble, and they're all really helpful guys. I also have direct contact with and am customer of several key OEM suppliers
I rented a Robertson and Caine catamaran in the caribee last winter and that came with a full databse of all the equipment suppliers, in a lever arch file, but it didn't specify model numbers of the parts so it wasn't as great as it ought to have been. I mean you can look at the light fittings, say, to see they're made by Quick, so lugging around a book telling me the name/address/url of Quick doesn't tell me anything Google can't, tbh
IMHO the thing that keeps the boat going, free of breakdowns, is a 3G connection and a load of spare parts. You can get any info you want from the 'net, and if you have boxes of spares you're generally ok
BartW
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exactly,
just recently I throw away all the Italian manuals in my boat which I would never ever use / read,
have been thinking to have a "digital version" only of each manual, but then I find myself printing a manual when I need to use it,
so yes, throw away what you don't use and have all relevant manuals on board.
I was surprised how quickly you can get a manual from a manufacturer, if you need one; fe maintenance on the desalinator.
newWave
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JFM, I was wondering if you have your seacocks grouped and into watertight boxes or not.
This seems a sensible idea to me, but I have no idea how practical this would be to integrate,
This seems a sensible idea to me, but I have no idea how practical this would be to integrate,
MapisM
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I do have a bit of first hand experience on a similar CMMS (Computerized Maintenance Management System).
Unfortunately, such applications introduce yet another complexity to deal with, which is exactly the opposite of what you're aiming at.
Otoh, when a boat is as complex as it normally is on most decent size modern mobos, I must admit that they make sense - particularly if you either want or must ('cause you're planning to cruise right in the middle of nowhere) deal with the maintenance yourself up to a fairly high degree.
In this respect, I must disagree with jfm: reducing the amount of paper kept onboard, and relying on the web or phone calls whenever necessary, just doesn't cut the mustard.
It's pointless to just reduce the amount of something which is completely useless nowadays, to start with. And no web or human being over the phone can tell you at a glance which are the manufacturer's part numbers of any onboard serviceable equipment, whenever you need to order them in a rush. Not to mention allow you to manage a proper stock of parts, the history of what was already changed, when and why, the next preventative maintenance required, and so forth.
Now, having said all that, I'd never dream of configuring and keeping updated a CMMS for a boat like mine: the additional software-generated workload would surely be higher than the potential efficiency improvement.
But boats like Match are in a different league, both in terms of complexity and type of usage.
Of course, there isn't such thing as a well-defined border, above which the boat complexity is better handled by yet another complex system - that's pretty much an individual choice.
But if I were speccing a new boat, with all the bells and whistles, I'd give a vessel CMMS more than a thought.
For those interested, here's a PBB article on vessel complexity which might be worth reading.
MapisM
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Geez, do you mean that you have no less than 16 of them (or possibly even more, considering the split arrows)?
BartW
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Geez, do you mean that you have no less than 16 of them (or possibly even more, considering the split arrows)?
would be interesting to see the list, I have 14:
engines 2, genny's 2, airco 1, desalinator 1, anker shower 1, fire hose 1, toilets seawater inlet 1, toilets outlets 5,
MapisM any further plans with your great idea for a seacock manifold box ?
could substitude quite a few of them
MapisM
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That's not my idea, actually.
It's called sea chest, and incidentally it's mentioned also in the article I previously linked (end of page 6 - beginning of page 7).
What you probably remember as 'my' idea was a modification of the sea chest, with some way to close it at the bottom and feed it with fresh water from the tank, thus being able to rinse the engines and gensets with fresh water at any time.
But I've not seen that on any boat so far.
Let me know if you see one, in order to claim my royalties...
It's called sea chest, and incidentally it's mentioned also in the article I previously linked (end of page 6 - beginning of page 7).
What you probably remember as 'my' idea was a modification of the sea chest, with some way to close it at the bottom and feed it with fresh water from the tank, thus being able to rinse the engines and gensets with fresh water at any time.
But I've not seen that on any boat so far.
Let me know if you see one, in order to claim my royalties...
BartW
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That's not my idea, actually.
It's called sea chest, and incidentally it's mentioned also in the article I previously linked (end of page 6 - beginning of page 7).
What you probably remember as 'my' idea was a modification of the sea chest, with some way to close it at the bottom and feed it with fresh water from the tank, thus being able to rinse the engines and gensets with fresh water at any time.
But I've not seen that on any boat so far.
Let me know if you see one, in order to claim my royalties...
yes, just read about sea chest in the article,
If ever I build a boat, I will include this, and let you have your fee
harstonwood
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Put all my hard manuals in the loft.
Got one notebook for the boat, with logbooks, and all user guides, manuals and software updates for plotters etc. in one directory.
Backed up, to dropbox so remote access available
jfm
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I agree with you mapisM. I only said rip out the Czech etc language pages
and take away the duplicates, to reduce the manuals pile to 1/3rd size. I keep a paper manual for everything on the boat. The phonecalls to Fairline are to get me out of trouble, not replace manuals. We're in 100% agremeent
jfm
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MATCH 2 will have:
engines inlet 2
Stabs hydraulics system cooling inlet 1
genset inlet 2
genset silent outlet 2 *
main airco in 1
main airco underwater silent outlet 1 *
Aft crew space independent airco unit inlet 1
desalinator inlet 1
Black tank discharge 2
Aft deck drain 1**
Emergency WC-straight-to-sea 1
Total 15
Match 1 had more than this; I've reduced them for Match 2. Two of the discharges shown in the pic are above waterline (manifolds for lots of hatch and deck drains) so I don't count them. Also the red arrows in the above pic show log/transducers as well as seacocks; anything that is a hole in the hull, so they're not all seacocks. Items * in list above are not necessary but serve to reduce at-anchor noise. Item **, don't ask, too hard to explain
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John100156
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I like the idea of a chart eminently sensible, I will knock one up for my boat - I think I will include images of the valves, it's simple enough to drop them in nowadays! It won't take long, I only have 5! ;-)
petem
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Do the Lumishores go through the hull or is it just their wires?MATCH 2 will have:
engines inlet 2
Stabs hydraulics system cooling inlet 1
genset inlet 2
genset silent outlet 2 *
main airco in 1
main airco underwater silent outlet 1 *
Aft crew space independent airco unit inlet 1
desalinator inlet 1
Black tank discharge 2
Aft deck drain 1**
Emergency WC-straight-to-sea 1
Total 15
Match 1 had more than this; I've reduced them for Match 2. Two of the discharges shown in the pic are above waterline (manifolds for lots of hatch and deck drains) so I don't count them. Also the red arrows in the above pic show log/transducers as well as seacocks; anything that is a hole in the hull, so they're not all seacocks. Items * in list above are not necessary but serve to reduce at-anchor noise. Item **, don't ask, too hard to explain
coliholic
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Wires? Wires? You mean they're not wifi?
