Boat in build pics (2013 Fairline Squadron 78)

Groot T said:
Hi JFM - very good point and thank you for making it. Sorry to hear the website wasn't all that useful and am now thinking of ways we can add to our Hatteland section on the website. So good feedback!

You are along the right lines of thinking that the Hatteland is another screen/repeater because, well, it is.

However, the beauty of black-box is that it turns a 'all-in-one' PC & Screen which rely on each other to function properly, into a PC which can be connected to ANY screen. So, suddenly, you have an extremely flexible setup which can be tailored to your needs.
With the TZ touch, you just have to make sure its a touch screen and the correct aspect ratio (16:10).

For example, At LIBS 2013, FURUNO were using a super-cheap touch screen (£400 or so) which did the job nicely. But you wouldn't want to put it in a marine environment.




Thinking about what you've said, I need to put some work into doing a technical write-up on Play D'eau's nav upgrade. Discuss why each component was selected, how and why the system is plummed together the way it is and why the Hatteland Displays are such an excellent choice.

I must confess, a black-box setup for a 82 footer isn't uncommon, but it does depends on how in-depth the owner likes to get their Nav toys, err.., "I mean essential navigation equipment which the boat can't do without, honey". I believe that is the official line these days..? Right, guys?


Maybe this is something we can go over for, dare I say it, Match III ? :eek:
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Nothing you've written makes me thing black box and hatteland does anything over and above Garmin though. Which bit am i misunderstanding? Garmin gives me touchscreens all over the boat (I've specced 6), including master and crew cabin. From these screens I can display any nav data and control the radar, for example, and view the 4 cameras. So, without getting out of bed, I can see the chart plotter, set and hear an anchor alarm, flick on and zoom in/out the radar to see how the anchorage is looking, check the depth, remind myself how much fuel is in the tanks, see what the wind is up to, what my HDG is, pull up a barograpgh (and indeed a graph of temp and windspeed too). What will the Hatteland + black box do that this lot won't do?
 
jfm said:
Nothing you've written makes me thing black box and hatteland does anything over and above Garmin though. Which bit am i misunderstanding? Garmin gives me touchscreens all over the boat (I've specced 6), including master and crew cabin. From these screens I can display any nav data and control the radar, for example, and view the 4 cameras. So, without getting out of bed, I can see the chart plotter, set and hear an anchor alarm, flick on and zoom in/out the radar to see how the anchorage is looking, check the depth, remind myself how much fuel is in the tanks, see what the wind is up to, what my HDG is, pull up a barograpgh (and indeed a graph of temp and windspeed too). What will the Hatteland + black box do that this lot won't do?
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Hi JFM,

Without knowing the exact different between the software capabilities of the Garmin over the TZ Touch, the features which the Hattelands will offer are as follows;
- The Hattelands provide deep-dimming capability. So the back-light brightness goes from 100% all the way down to 0% (completely off). This will help preserve your night-vision.
- The Hatteland will display any picture from any device. e.g. If the Furuno didn't have a page for the Fuel Management, the Hatteland will give you the ability to show it by choosing either the TZ Touch info or Fuel management, and swop between them.
- The Hatteland will scale / resize the picture to your preference.
- The Hatteland offers 'picture-in-picture'. Using the Fuel Management example, you could have your fuel info permenantly in the corner of the screen while flicking through different pages on the TZ touch.
- Lets say you wanted 10 CCTV cameras around the boat, the Fununo (IIRC) has provision for four cameras. As such, you would install a stand-alone CCTV system and that would be plummed into one of the the Hatteland 7 inputs.

Has that helped?
 
Groot T said:
I am interested to find out about your Anchor control! Best of luck in getting it to communicate with your ships LAN.
Will you start a thread on it?
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Yes - I was going to start a thread on the subject but its too early to make any announcements at the moment.
I have only just worked out the feasibility.
Essentially, it is going to be a WiFi chain counter with the option of controlling the anchor wirelessly.
The rational was that I want a chain counter and there are no spare wires from the anchor locker.
The unit will be able to connect to my WiFi LAN or set up to work directly with an iPhone/Android/Tablet
I recon to build it for less than £100
I've just ordered the parts so it will be another month or two before I get it working and write the software for it.
I'll put a separate post up when I have something more concrete to announce.
It should be the kind of thing quite a lot of people would like.
With electronics, you could build in functions like - "another 5m of chain out" and it would do it automatically.
Or if you don't have a remote, a smart phone could do it for you.
 
Groot T said:
Hi JFM,

Without knowing the exact different between the software capabilities of the Garmin over the TZ Touch, the features which the Hattelands will offer are as follows;
- The Hattelands provide deep-dimming capability. So the back-light brightness goes from 100% all the way down to 0% (completely off). This will help preserve your night-vision.
- The Hatteland will display any picture from any device. e.g. If the Furuno didn't have a page for the Fuel Management, the Hatteland will give you the ability to show it by choosing either the TZ Touch info or Fuel management, and swop between them.
- The Hatteland will scale / resize the picture to your preference.
- The Hatteland offers 'picture-in-picture'. Using the Fuel Management example, you could have your fuel info permenantly in the corner of the screen while flicking through different pages on the TZ touch.
- Lets say you wanted 10 CCTV cameras around the boat, the Fununo (IIRC) has provision for four cameras. As such, you would install a stand-alone CCTV system and that would be plummed into one of the the Hatteland 7 inputs.

Has that helped?
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Yup it has helped Toby. To be honest it's proved that this stuff does nothing (I mean, absolutely nothing, going by your list) that my old series (Match1) Garmin stuff wouldn't do, let alone any improved Garmin gear that might, guessworkishly, be announced at Miami in 2 days time. And the Garmin is all plug and play/easy user interfaces. I fear that a computer under the dash displaying through Hatteland displays will not have such an intuitive interface, though there is no way to find that out because there are no installations that a punter like me can go and play with. I'm definitely feeling better about having selected Garmin :-)
 
Hurricane said:
Yes - I was going to start a thread on the subject but its too early to make any announcements at the moment.
I have only just worked out the feasibility.
Essentially, it is going to be a WiFi chain counter with the option of controlling the anchor wirelessly.
The rational was that I want a chain counter and there are no spare wires from the anchor locker.
The unit will be able to connect to my WiFi LAN or set up to work directly with an iPhone/Android/Tablet
I recon to build it for less than £100
I've just ordered the parts so it will be another month or two before I get it working and write the software for it.
I'll put a separate post up when I have something more concrete to announce.
It should be the kind of thing quite a lot of people would like.
With electronics, you could build in functions like - "another 5m of chain out" and it would do it automatically.
Or if you don't have a remote, a smart phone could do it for you.
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Thanks Hurricane. I'll be interested to see how you set this up. BTW, I have a camera installed on Match 2, as per your idea a couple of years ago, so I can see the anchor break the water's surface and retract into its slot, from the helm station MFDs. I'm using a Garmin GC 10 camera for waterproofing reasons and because it has night vision LEDs all built in. I'll post a video of what it shows, when all done
 
jfm said:
Yup it has helped Toby. To be honest it's proved that this stuff does nothing (I mean, absolutely nothing, going by your list) that my old series (Match1) Garmin stuff wouldn't do, let alone any improved Garmin gear that might, guessworkishly, be announced at Miami in 2 days time. And the Garmin is all plug and play/easy user interfaces. I fear that a computer under the dash displaying through Hatteland displays will not have such an intuitive interface, though there is no way to find that out because there are no installations that a punter like me can go and play with. I'm definitely feeling better about having selected Garmin :-)
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No problem at all, JFM. Happy to help. I barely managed to scratch the surface with what it can do should a 'bespoke' system is needed.

BTW, when do we get some new pictures?
 
Groot T said:
No problem at all, JFM. Happy to help. I barely managed to scratch the surface with what it can do should a 'bespoke' system is needed.

BTW, when do we get some new pictures?
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But that's the thing Toby. I ask "What can this do that say Garmin can't?" and get told a load of things that Garmin was doing at least back in 2010. Then I say "Uhu, so it's nothing special then" and the reply from you, the distributor, is that you didn't "scratch the surface". Is there any way you can properly scratch, with an angle grinder, that surface and tell me what these things will really do? Go for it, no holds barred. What will they do that Garmin won't do?

The problem is that you will sometimes have customers with unlimited budget and wanting the best of the best, and they still won't buy this Hatteland gear in big numbers if the benefits are kept secret. It may well be that it is fab gear, but if you can't explain to me what it does, and neither will the website, and I can't play with it, then I cannot sensibly take the risk of buying it

US internet posts are now beginning to report that Garmin will be releasing 8 series MFDs at Miami. I guess their stand at the show with their latest gear is being assembled as we speak and people are seeing new hardware
 
jfm said:
But that's the thing Toby. I ask "What can this do that say Garmin can't?" and get told a load of things that Garmin was doing at least back in 2010. Then I say "Uhu, so it's nothing special then" and the reply from you, the distributor, is that you didn't "scratch the surface". Is there any way you can properly scratch, with an angle grinder, that surface and tell me what these things will really do? Go for it, no holds barred. What will they do that Garmin won't do?

The problem is that you will sometimes have customers with unlimited budget and wanting the best of the best, and they still won't buy this Hatteland gear in big numbers if the benefits are kept secret. It may well be that it is fab gear, but if you can't explain to me what it does, and neither will the website, and I can't play with it, then I cannot sensibly take the risk of buying it

US internet posts are now beginning to report that Garmin will be releasing 8 series MFDs at Miami. I guess their stand at the show with their latest gear is being assembled as we speak and people are seeing new hardware
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Understood - I will call you with this one to go through it, see if we can apply the proverbial angle grinder..!
 
jfm said:
US internet posts are now beginning to report that Garmin will be releasing 8 series MFDs at Miami. I guess their stand at the show with their latest gear is being assembled as we speak and people are seeing new hardware
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Are you coming over to have a look?

Cheers
Jimmy
 
Robg71 said:
How long to go now JFM. Before delivery.
I would be like a kid in a sweet shop. :D
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It goes in the water, in Ipswich, middle of April approx Rob. I will go onboard it then and play around, but it has to do seatrials with hardware suppliers onboard (Caterpillar, Sleipner, others) so I properly take possession middle of May

Yes, kid in sweetshop doesn't come close :D. I'm looking forward to seeing it, to finding out if the nightclub interior works in the flesh, to testing out the mods added since Match1, and to the first cruise
 
jfm said:
It goes in the water, in Ipswich, middle of April approx Rob. I will go onboard it then and play around, but it has to do seatrials with hardware suppliers onboard (Caterpillar, Sleipner, others) so I properly take possession middle of May

Yes, kid in sweetshop doesn't come close :D. I'm looking forward to seeing it, to finding out if the nightclub interior works in the flesh, to testing out the mods added since Match1, and to the first cruise
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If you need a spare pair of hands crew, and i am off, give me a shout :D
 
Hey

I know it's probably going some way back in the build, but I read in the Fairline literature that the boat has a stainless steel hull protection plate. I was wondering when and where this is put on and how they stick it on, or is it moulded into place as the hull is sprayed?

I assume Blue Peter style sticky tape is not used anywhere throughout the process :)
 
Danchc said:
Hey

I know it's probably going some way back in the build, but I read in the Fairline literature that the boat has a stainless steel hull protection plate. I was wondering when and where this is put on and how they stick it on, or is it moulded into place as the hull is sprayed?

I assume Blue Peter style sticky tape is not used anywhere throughout the process :)
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I think that refers to the plate that protects the hull from a swinging anchor, in pic below (of Match1). It's glued on with the usual polyurethane white glue, and has a couple of screws to hold it while the glue sets iirc

Actually they use a lot of "sticky tape" in the form of 3M dualock, all over the boat, for ceiling panels and trim. http://www.3m.com/product/information/Dual-Lock-Reclosable-Fastener.html It's good stuff :-)

(Anyone else unable to make hyperlinks with this new forum software or is it just me?)

2010-12-04Ipswich3.jpg
 
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jfm said:
I think that refers to the plate that protects the hull from a swinging anchor, in pic below (of Match1). It's glued on with the usual polyurethane white glue, and has a couple of screws to hold it while the glue sets iirc

Actually they use a lot of "sticky tape" in the form of 3M dualock, all over the boat, for ceiling panels and trim. http://www.3m.com/product/information/Dual-Lock-Reclosable-Fastener.html It's good stuff :-)

(Anyone else unable to make hyperlinks with this new forum software or is it just me?)
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Hmmm, it says: "Stainless steel hull protection plate under bow", so I imagined a large plate designed to strengthen the hull from lesser floating impacts, like driftwood.

The reason I am thinking of this now, is that I just saw a program about the development of ice-breakers in Russia and Germany and how much of the ice-breaking ability was due to the shape of the bow. It made me think about the shape of the 78's bow. Not that I am suggesting you try ice-breaking, just wondering :)

Sticky tape: As they say, many a word spoken in jest :)

Not used hyperlinks here recently, so can't help on that one.
 
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