Boat for sale or is it a punt.

[steveeasy]

This is not an advert
In September this year I posted my boat for sale on a specific website. For clarity I really enjoy my boat, I love sailing it. Ive spent a lot of time upgrading it but I do like the idea of replacing it with something I consider similar for very practical reasons. After a few weeks of it being advertised I was written to by a someone asking if it was really for sale or if it was just a punt. if the later, would I remove it from sale to protect the reputation of the group.
Well It did not go down well but im used to crap like this, but it got me thinking. what is the difference and if there is one, what is so wrong. Now some sellers sell cos they hate their boat, despise paying for it, or any other desperate reason. But equally sellers can market a boat they are keen on for a price and if they find a buyer and can agree a price what is so wrong.

I recently looked at a boat for sale in the yard I keep mine at and noticed half a dozen boats that have been looked after very well all up for sale as well within the same yard. It came as a surprise, then again not. Are they for sale or are they a punt. does the sale have to be desperate to be a genuine offer for sale ?. im sure most potential buyers prefer a desperate seller but what is wrong with a seller who's not so desperate.

Steveeasy

 

[Wing Mark]

The person who wrote to you is being unreasonable, unless your advert is derogatory about the group in some way?

 

[V1701]

If "the group" are the operators of the website I'd just tell them what they want to hear to get them off my back but it's entirely up to you and nobody else's business what you do with your boat and why. Assuming you're not breaking the law or anything daft it's no more complicated than that surely...

 

[steveeasy]

The person who wrote to you is being unreasonable, unless your advert is derogatory about the group in some way?

No straightforward advert and price. good pics. nothing at all within it or connected in any way.
Steveeasy

 

[lustyd]

Presumably the issue was with the price. I’m often shocked by the asking price on boats with wet bilges pictured, litter on them, rusty engine green ropes etc. so why not charge a premium? My boat is immaculate and I’d say worth double what I paid for it (Sorry if you’re reading Steve!) when looking at similar boats at a similar price. It’s in essentially new condition with a new suite of electronics, new sails and rigging, so why not ask for a premium. I’m also not looking to sell but if someone offered the right price I’d take it as I do want a larger boat in two years time anyway.

 

[Stemar]

I reckon there are three kinds of boats for sale. The first is a decent boat at a sensible price, being sold because the owner is moving on to another boat or something else. Then there's the sad, neglected one, where the owner's lost interest because of age, illness or just life. These may be at unrealistic prices because the owner doesn't realise the level of deterioration. Finally there's the kind of advert put up because she's put down the it's me or the boat ultimatum, and he's buying time while he makes up his mind (or vice versa, of course). In this case, the price is top dollar in the hope that no one will bite. "So sorry Dear, the boat's been advertised for months, but no one's interested"

 

[lustyd]

My girlfriend said “me or the boat” once, so I drove her home and went back to the boat. I told the new girlfriend this story and she’s been smarter. The ex confirmed the story at a recent party ?

 

[mjcoon]

My girlfriend said “me or the boat” once, so I drove her home and went back to the boat. I told the new girlfriend this story and she’s been smarter. The ex confirmed the story at a recent party ?

"And a woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke" The Betrothed (poem) - Wikipedia

 

[Yealm]

Feels like we haven't got the whole story.
Why did he feel you weren't serious about selling ? Based on your interactions with potential buyers ? Or crazy high price ? Or something else ?

 

[steveeasy]

Feels like we haven't got the whole story.
Why did he feel you weren't serious about selling ? Based on your interactions with potential buyers ? Or crazy high price ? Or something else ?

There is always more to any story, but sometimes your better not going there. Ive been mulling it over for weeks. The add was perfect. the boat was in immaculate condition. brand new rigging, newish engine, new sails in 2019. this is not an add or will it be. the price was or is cheaper than most other boats of the same model/design so thats the add done. id done 2 viewings. both people were nice to meet one stayed for 4 hours and it was fun. I had a very nice letter from the second viewing. so what did i do wrong in advertising my boat. My reasoning for advertising my boat were practical reasons regarding annual maintenance and another genuine reason to sell.

If it was a punt what is so wrong with that. your boat looks fab. youve gone as far as you can with it. prices are at a high. if it did not sell id be happy and if it did id be happy. the perfect way to sell for me. Just what all the other boats were doing in the same yard.

Steveeasy

 

[steveeasy]

Presumably the issue was with the price. I’m often shocked by the asking price on boats with wet bilges pictured, litter on them, rusty engine green ropes etc. so why not charge a premium? My boat is immaculate and I’d say worth double what I paid for it (Sorry if you’re reading Steve!) when looking at similar boats at a similar price. It’s in essentially new condition with a new suite of electronics, new sails and rigging, so why not ask for a premium. I’m also not looking to sell but if someone offered the right price I’d take it as I do want a larger boat in two years time anyway.

Bit slow im afraid. Your reply has not offended me in any way. sounds like my boat and reasoning. ive new sails, new canvas. newish engine. new rigging .its not in new condition due to its age but looks fab. not asking a premium still less than others of the same make. I have to say the said person had suggested some months earlier the boat was worth scrap value despite what ive said above regarding engine etc.

Steveeasy

 

[Yealm]

There is always more to any story, but sometimes your better not going there. Ive been mulling it over for weeks. The add was perfect. the boat was in immaculate condition. brand new rigging, newish engine, new sails in 2019. this is not an add or will it be. the price was or is cheaper than most other boats of the same model/design so thats the add done. id done 2 viewings. both people were nice to meet one stayed for 4 hours and it was fun. I had a very nice letter from the second viewing. so what did i do wrong in advertising my boat. My reasoning for advertising my boat were practical reasons regarding annual maintenance and another genuine reason to sell.

If it was a punt what is so wrong with that. your boat looks fab. youve gone as far as you can with it. prices are at a high. if it did not sell id be happy and if it did id be happy. the perfect way to sell for me. Just what all the other boats were doing in the same yard.

Steveeasy

Did he not give you a hint why he was annoyed with your ad ?

 

[steveeasy]

Did he not give you a hint why he was annoyed with your ad ?

No idear. Just wondered why the add could have been so wrong though if even it was a punt

Steveasy

 

[mjcoon]

I don't understand why no-one has queried this false dichotomy: a punt is a boat!

 

[lustyd]

Bit slow im afraid. Your reply has not offended me in any way. sounds like my boat and reasoning. ive new sails, new canvas. newish engine. new rigging .its not in new condition due to its age but looks fab. not asking a premium still less than others of the same make. I have to say the said person had suggested some months earlier the boat was worth scrap value despite what ive said above regarding engine etc.

Steveeasy

Haha Steve was the guy I bought it off and I’d haggled ? I was agreeing with you!

 

[steveeasy]

Well seams there is little difference in a boat for sale and one for a punt. Never thought i was doing anything wrong and was quite miffed.

Steveeasy

 

[dunedin]

There is always more to any story, but sometimes your better not going there.

I suspect your answer lies somewhere in there, in the bits you are choosing to keep private - whilst going public on a partial story which doesn’t seem to make sense.
Perhaps partly also in the reasons why, in a very active market, neither of the viewers bought the boat.

Kind of also may depend on what the “specific website“ is. Generally most boat sales websites would not be bothered by a, potentially very ambitiously priced, boat staying unsold for a longish period - the more boats on the site the better. But perhaps if it is a more niche website, like an owners association, they have had feedback on the boat vs the advert?
Who knows, as we are only getting part of the story - which is of course fair enough, as not really our concern except for the OP choosing to raise the subject.

 

[steveeasy]

I suspect your answer lies somewhere in there, in the bits you are choosing to keep private.

Yep , your probably right, but no good comes digging dirt. The post was specific though, is there a difference between a boat for sale and a boat for sale as a punt. of course there is not, just different reasons for marketing it.

Steveeasy

 

[Neeves]

All boats are for sale - its just that the price has not been agreed.

Jonathan

 

[Tranona]

I suspect your answer lies somewhere in there, in the bits you are choosing to keep private.

Yep , your probably right, but no good comes digging dirt. The post was specific though, is there a difference between a boat for sale and a boat for sale as a punt. of course there is not, just different reasons for marketing it.

Steveeasy

Seems you are making up your own distinction. "Boats for sale as a punt" is a term I have never heard before and have difficulty in understanding what it might mean. If you mean the boat is not actually for sale then why not just say so - in which case as suggested commercial listing sites don't care, they just collect the listing fees. However an owners' association may take a different view and prefer to only accept adverts from members that are genuine attempts to sell. How this is determined is rather difficult without knowing the reasons why there are concerns about whether the advert is not a serious attempt to sell.