dgadee
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True. Which is where the problems accrue: when a boat is sold for (e.g.) £1 to someone who has no knowledge of boating. I have seen it several times now.
Boat-break up and disposal
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Mark-1
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If it gets dumped on or near his mooring to some degree it remains his problem. What does he do? Cast it adrift? Begin legal proceedings? There are no good answers. If it's faceless corporate marina then waving a signed Bill of Sale at them ought to protect the 'seller' from being chased. (Or perhaps not, they might deem it worth trying in the hope that the 'seller' folds and takes it back on.)
However if it's a club mooring or somewhere he is is known I think it would be morally impossible to wave a bit of paper at the moorings officer volunteer and say "It's your problem mate.". At least very embarrassing to have a boat known to be yours sitting on salt marsh 200m from your mooring.
I bet the previous owner of "Aliunde" has been sweating a bit. (Sunken yacht in Solent)
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Tamar
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It needs to be put in writing that the boat is moved out of the area.
dgadee
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I have seen a yard owner try to get an old wooden boat, just sold, out of his yard. It didn't work.
ducked
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"Inspired" by barge might be more accurate. They dont have actual flat bottoms or use spritsails, for example, and they do have engines.
If it was based on anything I suppose it might be an Eventide. There is a bige keel version that more closely resembles an Eventide, and is probably commoner.
ducked
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Quite a lot of the freebbies seem to specify removal within a short period of time, which would probably put a lot of people (me, for example) off taking them on, since there probably isn't time to get them seaworthy before the deadline, so one is committed to, from a new owner POV, pointless expense and hassle just to move a problem somewhere else.
Refueler
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There was an article years ago detailing the design / idea of the Waterwitch and the reference to Barge. It was listed in the Association along with Eventides and the other boats - but was not designed by the same people.
I have the article somewhere .. I did consider building one ...
ashtead
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Maybe he could offer for free to the owner of the pink boat which sank in Newtown creek ? He might be looking for some spare storage space again.
Tamar
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You just truck them out in the specified time.
dgadee
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To where? You need to find someone prepared to host an old boat, probably by someone they don't know. The yard at Port Napoleon in France won't accept a boat without a photograph. If it looks too old and difficult to get rid of in case of non payment, they won't take it.
Tamar
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So you just don't buy it.
dgadee
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But people do.
Tamar
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Where's this going?
dgadee
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You tell me.
Refueler
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Is Paynes Field still active on Thorney Island ?
Mark-1
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Still has a web presence. Reckon they'd let someone hack up boat in their yard?
Concerto
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Just before I left Chatham Marina in late June, I was chatting with a staff member about a problem boat. It was in the marina after someone bought it for £1 from a "mate in a pub". The new owner was on social benefits and believed he should remain in the marina for free. The marina tried putting him on a monthly contract, but he never paid anything. They were almost at a loss to know what to do with him. The vessel had a faulty engine, so could not move from the marina. It was basically a floating wreck taking up a berth with an owner with no money. I never did hear what finally happened. If the boat was seized, it was worth nothing. To move require the marina launch. They could not just dump it into the river. If it had to be broken up, then it would need to be lifted into the yard and disposal costs would be incurred that the owner could not pay. I expect this is what ultimately happened and it became a cost of running a marina.
dgadee
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North Down council had one of those £1 fishing boats in a harbour (just before I left). It had been stripped of everything of value and had ceased floating. The harbour master advised against but the council took responsibility. They then found they were landed with very high disposal costs. £50k.
Council Pays Cost of Scrapping Abandoned Fishing Trawler at Ballyhalbert
Council Pays Cost of Scrapping Abandoned Fishing Trawler at Ballyhalbert
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Greenheart
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Depressing thread. Sad but inevitable, I suppose. A couple of weeks ago I might well have been persuaded to take on Mark-1's Corribee...but with enormous respect to him and profound gratitude for his honesty about the design (and doubtless, the pros and cons it shares with hundreds of other small yachts), I'm hugely relieved someone else took it.
I hope Mark-1 hasn't yet lost the warm inner glow of satisfaction that comes from no longer owning and being responsible for a gradually deteriorating hole in the water that requires frequent donations of taxed income...
...five years since I got rid of my own moored millstone, I'm still conscious of the ever-accumulating cash reward, and the blissful free time that comes from not having a yacht at the onset of winter (possibly at any time).
Of course I still really want one, or I wouldn't be here. But the combination of having enough cash to buy one and enough restraint never to do so, may be as good as it gets!
I hope Mark-1 hasn't yet lost the warm inner glow of satisfaction that comes from no longer owning and being responsible for a gradually deteriorating hole in the water that requires frequent donations of taxed income...
...five years since I got rid of my own moored millstone, I'm still conscious of the ever-accumulating cash reward, and the blissful free time that comes from not having a yacht at the onset of winter (possibly at any time).
Of course I still really want one, or I wouldn't be here. But the combination of having enough cash to buy one and enough restraint never to do so, may be as good as it gets!
ducked
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Which is what I said was the effect. This would often mean a savable boat doesnt get saved, which I think is a pity
This in turn means the yard guarantees that they have the problem they were afraid of possibly having again in the future.
OTOH if the market continues to shrink, eventually there wont be a queue of well-healed punters for the vacated space, and the yards will find themselves becoming less snobby.
OTOOH they'll probably be shiny waterside developments by then, so maintaining the cycle of shiny snobbery.
