macnorton
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Cut the dipstick tube with a pipe cutter, remove the pipe and then re-join the tube with some rubber pipe and jubilee clips.
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BlueSkyNick
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[/ QUOTE ] Just reading through this thread I have lost count of the number of suggestions you have been given. How many more do you want before you implement one or some of them?
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supply me with an answer!!!!!!!!!!!
[/ QUOTE ] Just reading through this thread I have lost count of the number of suggestions you have been given. How many more do you want before you implement one or some of them?
Cliveshep
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Looking at all the posts you have had in response to your dilemma I offer the response that IF it is still in the dip-stick tube getting a length of TIG welding wire which is about 0.5mm in diameter from a local sheet metal fabricator and quite stiff, and making a hook in the end. TIG wire forms nicely and I've made linkages from it for small carburetters in the past. Make the hook small enough to go down the plastic tube without pushing it further down, twiddle about and draw back up, sooner or later it will catch on the bottom of your polythene tube. However, I'd not panic if it stayed in the sump as it is likely to drop to the bottom. try a piece in oil, does it float or sink? If it sinks I'd leave it if extraction fails.
Dipper
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Since you are looking for weird and wonderful answers, how about attaching a vacuum cleaner (ideally wet and dry type) to the dipstick tube with Duck Tape, remove the oil filler cap and try to suck it back up the dipstick tube?
Evadne
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If it's any help this happened to me with my 1GM and I left it in. A few years later I had to take the sump off, and the pipe was there, partly mangled where it appeared to have argued with the crankshaft but in one piece, not disintegrated and not liable to block anything.
VicS
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Some comments
Its probably made of polythene so no solvent that I am aware of that you could use to dissolve it.
Re suggestion to fish via the drain plug has person suggesting it checked on the location of the drain plug? Is there one even?
If its still stuck in the dipstick tube the crankshaft not likely to hit it as it is between two cylinders. Doesn't hit the dipstick does it.
BUT it will have to be shifted in order to get the dipstick back in.
It wont actually float but probably not heavy enough to sit immovably on the bottom.
Strainer on pump suction will keep it or bits of it out of the lubrication system.
Unless it is still lodged in the dipstick tube and can be retrieved from there leave it in the sump. Bu§§ered if I'd cut the dipstick tube though.
AND dont drop any more bits and pieces in there
Its probably made of polythene so no solvent that I am aware of that you could use to dissolve it.
Re suggestion to fish via the drain plug has person suggesting it checked on the location of the drain plug? Is there one even?
If its still stuck in the dipstick tube the crankshaft not likely to hit it as it is between two cylinders. Doesn't hit the dipstick does it.
BUT it will have to be shifted in order to get the dipstick back in.
It wont actually float but probably not heavy enough to sit immovably on the bottom.
Strainer on pump suction will keep it or bits of it out of the lubrication system.
Unless it is still lodged in the dipstick tube and can be retrieved from there leave it in the sump. Bu§§ered if I'd cut the dipstick tube though.
AND dont drop any more bits and pieces in there
KevB
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Is the pipe still in the dipstick hole?
If so I'd get another bit of pipe as big as possible that will still fit inside the dipstick hole with a large internal hole also (stuff they use with fish tanks maybe) connect end up to vacuum cleaner hose with gaffer tape and push down dipstick hole till it meets the stuck pipe. Turn on and hopefully it'll get sucked up or onto the fish pipe and you'll be able to draw it out.
If it's in the sump it should be removed but I'd personally leave it although it would probably be a worry every time you use the engine so best all round to get it out.
If so I'd get another bit of pipe as big as possible that will still fit inside the dipstick hole with a large internal hole also (stuff they use with fish tanks maybe) connect end up to vacuum cleaner hose with gaffer tape and push down dipstick hole till it meets the stuck pipe. Turn on and hopefully it'll get sucked up or onto the fish pipe and you'll be able to draw it out.
If it's in the sump it should be removed but I'd personally leave it although it would probably be a worry every time you use the engine so best all round to get it out.
savageseadog
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You have to remove it, no option to leave in my opinion.
I retrieved some parts out of an engine by draining the oil and washing the engine out with kerosene (28 second heating oil), This will enable you to see what's going on plus making it far more pleasant to deal with. If you need to see in the sump borrow an endoscope, drill into the side of the sump pan if you have to, look at an old engine to see what you have to do.
I retrieved some parts out of an engine by draining the oil and washing the engine out with kerosene (28 second heating oil), This will enable you to see what's going on plus making it far more pleasant to deal with. If you need to see in the sump borrow an endoscope, drill into the side of the sump pan if you have to, look at an old engine to see what you have to do.
Alfie168
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My vote is to leave it. The chances of it causing a problem are quite small. Its soft and pliable so will not cause contact damage, its too big to go up a strainer or block a strainer. Even if it gets damaged by the crank its unlikely to fragment as such, or melt.
It will most likely just sit at the bottom of the sump. I'd certainly try any of the 'down the tube' suggestions, but if it comes to major cost to remove it, then dont bother.
Tim
It will most likely just sit at the bottom of the sump. I'd certainly try any of the 'down the tube' suggestions, but if it comes to major cost to remove it, then dont bother.
Tim
MarkJohnson12345
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If the tube is still in the dipstick tube the only problem will be the dispstick pushing it all the way in.
If its already totally in the sump, then I believe the only way to get it out is to raise the engine enough to remove the sump.
Should not be too difficult, just a balls ache.
I would not be too happy with it floating around in the sump, though I doubt it will cuase much harm! (Famous last words)
Best get it sorted whilst you are comfortably tied up!
Just my 2p worth...
Good luck
If its already totally in the sump, then I believe the only way to get it out is to raise the engine enough to remove the sump.
Should not be too difficult, just a balls ache.
I would not be too happy with it floating around in the sump, though I doubt it will cuase much harm! (Famous last words)
Best get it sorted whilst you are comfortably tied up!
Just my 2p worth...
Good luck
philip_stevens
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the drain plug? Is there one even?
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On the 2003, there is a drain plug, at the gearbox end, and a sod to get to. That's why I do as he does/did, and suck it out through the dipstick tube.
I didn't realise it was there until we lifted the engine out for a major rebuild. That's another story. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
the drain plug? Is there one even?
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On the 2003, there is a drain plug, at the gearbox end, and a sod to get to. That's why I do as he does/did, and suck it out through the dipstick tube.
I didn't realise it was there until we lifted the engine out for a major rebuild. That's another story. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
floatything
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Use something that will screw into the hole in the plastic pipe without too much downward pressure - essentially a woodscrew (I'd go for one of those 'toothed' ones such as sold by screwfix) of the correct diameter attached to a rod. Obviously you want to be sure you don't end up with metal stuck down there as well though!
mikemonty
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This is my last shot at this despite my contention that it probably won't do any harm:
It is unlikely you are going to get anything to engage in the end of the tube. Even if you can SEE the end of the tube it will probably simply push further down the bore or rotate.
The only way of employing a screw to get the damn thing out is to get a woodscrew or similar with a major diameter close to the bore of the the dipstick hole and rotate this clockwise as you gently run it down the dipstick hole. The idea being to crush the plastic against the side of the dipstick hole and draw it into the gap between screw thread and bore - if not bite into it - at least get a good enough grip to pull the whole lot back up the dipstick hole.
You don't need a lucky accident like you do to get a screw into the plastic tube - its probably gonna engage it anyway.
The OP is probably now completely disinterested /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif - but he did challenge us all!
It is unlikely you are going to get anything to engage in the end of the tube. Even if you can SEE the end of the tube it will probably simply push further down the bore or rotate.
The only way of employing a screw to get the damn thing out is to get a woodscrew or similar with a major diameter close to the bore of the the dipstick hole and rotate this clockwise as you gently run it down the dipstick hole. The idea being to crush the plastic against the side of the dipstick hole and draw it into the gap between screw thread and bore - if not bite into it - at least get a good enough grip to pull the whole lot back up the dipstick hole.
You don't need a lucky accident like you do to get a screw into the plastic tube - its probably gonna engage it anyway.
The OP is probably now completely disinterested /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif - but he did challenge us all!
mcframe
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I'm sure the correct advice is to remove the sump and remove the object but as this will almost certainly mean removing the engine too, I'd be inclined to let the object RIP in the sump pan!
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A friend once dropped the sump on a new(used) motorbike to clean the sludge trap - after he found two washers and a nut nestling in a corner, he wished he hadn't!
That said, I ran a half a TDC-seeking pencil through the plug-hole of an engine once and it's still running...
I'm sure the correct advice is to remove the sump and remove the object but as this will almost certainly mean removing the engine too, I'd be inclined to let the object RIP in the sump pan!
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A friend once dropped the sump on a new(used) motorbike to clean the sludge trap - after he found two washers and a nut nestling in a corner, he wished he hadn't!
That said, I ran a half a TDC-seeking pencil through the plug-hole of an engine once and it's still running...
cliffordpope
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Can we get two points clear:
Is it or is it not still stuck in the dipstick pipe?
Is it really only the size of a biro refill? I'd have thought it would take several years to suck a sump full of oil up a biro refill - or do you mean it's the size of the biro itself?
Is it really so difficult to lower the sump a bit? I've just replaced a Volvo (car) oil pump by dropping the sump about 2" and getting my hand in. If you can lift the engine an inch or two, slacken the sump bolts on one side or end and remove the others, can't you pivot the sump open enough to get a bent coathanger in to hook the pipe?
Is it or is it not still stuck in the dipstick pipe?
Is it really only the size of a biro refill? I'd have thought it would take several years to suck a sump full of oil up a biro refill - or do you mean it's the size of the biro itself?
Is it really so difficult to lower the sump a bit? I've just replaced a Volvo (car) oil pump by dropping the sump about 2" and getting my hand in. If you can lift the engine an inch or two, slacken the sump bolts on one side or end and remove the others, can't you pivot the sump open enough to get a bent coathanger in to hook the pipe?
cliffordpope
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Further inspiration. If the tube is still stuck in the pipe, heat up a wire coathanger until the end is red hot and gently feed it down until it rests on the plastic. Wait until it has cooled, then haul it up.
HappyH
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Assuming the little sucker is still nicely wedged in the dip-stick tube, how about a small fishing hook attached to some line and mounted on one of those disgourger things. Slip down the hole INSIDE the sucker, a little sideways pressure and hook it out?
Or, if its nice and tightly wedged, a piece of braising rod with a tiny bend at the end (a hook) - pass right through the sucker and catch the lip at the other end and gently pull it out.
Or, if its nice and tightly wedged, a piece of braising rod with a tiny bend at the end (a hook) - pass right through the sucker and catch the lip at the other end and gently pull it out.
LadyInBed
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heated wire coat hanger or self tapper on stick are most plausible solutions IMO.
Heckler
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The tube on a Pela that you stick down the pipe is the outside of a brake cable of a bike, the oil does come thru it quite quick,
Stu
Stu
floatything
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Frankly - you don't seem to have tried any of the suggestions given so why not...
Open your wallet and pay someone else to do the job for you?
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Open your wallet and pay someone else to do the job for you?
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