Wansworth
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Back in the late 70 I was rebuilding a little yacht and y neighbours two blokes hada deal with the owner of aTroll motoresailer,they do the maintenance in return for use,worked well
Beautiful yachts but..........
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Wansworth
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Even so not that big?
Chiara’s slave
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50ft, roughly.
Fr J Hackett
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Yes I do and as an ex boat owner that did 90% of his own maintenance and refits that's exactly why although I had all the skills required I never dreamt of owning a wooden boat.
You are also bringing a class measurement into a discussion of absolute measurement and the extra 15 foot and brightwork would make a difference.
dunedin
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A McGruer 8m for example is under 42 foot LOA. Massively smaller than the Spirit 65 and 111 foot boats in this thread.
Also, an owner spending a few £10k on an old wooden boat is much more likely to do DIY maintenance than somebody choosing to spend many £1m on a brand new boat.
Zing
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There are not many that could be trusted with guardienage world wide and that's my point. In the Caribbean, which you mention and where I know all the boat yards there isn't a single one that would capable in my view to provide the services you envisage. I suppose you could get a live-out skipper though. In many ways a good solution.They would go back to the build yard or somewhere like Berthon for annual work and refit, I think you misjudge where such boats are kept when not in use, even in the Caribbean you would find such facilities and certainly the US, UK, Spain, France Mediterranean, Turkey all have world class facilities and craftsmen. You don't leave them in an average marina you schedule and if necessary ship them to where they need to go. The boat yard takes the place of the skipper in terms of managing the boat, never heard of guardinage, I am surprised given some of your other posts that you don't seem to understand or appreciate how the other half lives.
Fr J Hackett
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But there are many in Europe and the states that could and do.
Chiara’s slave
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A race ready international 8 metre changes hands for 150k to 300k.
Fr J Hackett
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A bit different to £2.2 or £6 million plus ? and that's the reason why their owners probably do a lot of the work. Many years ago I used to "look after" in terms of delivering and making sure everything was on the boat etc and reporting at the end of the day week etc anything that needed to be taken care of and at times arranging it for the owner a multi millionaire who just liked to race, nothing else. The boat was a stripped out Sigma 41 that wanted for nothing. The owner would turn up the night before off give me a wad of notes and say look after the boys then reappear the following morning to take the helm. That is just a modest GRP toy of a wealthy owner a million miles away from owner cruiser racers.
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westernman
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On the terrace of the appartment overlooking the beach.Where's the drinks cabinet and ice maker for the G&T
Chiara’s slave
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Sure. An 8 is in a similar league to the Spirit 46 on the used market I suppose. Though the displacement is more similar to that 65. By comparison to classic boat prices, the lead is the cheap bit?
Concerto
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About 8 years ago my nephew looked after a Swan 44 for the owner. It was sailed in the UK, the Med and the Caribbean either with the family aboard or in full race trim. Wherever the boat went, so did a 20ft container so cruising and race equipment could be swapped over. His budget then was £250,000.
Currently he now works for an owner who has 12 boats across the world. He looks after 11 of them. I hate what that lot costs as I do not think any are chartered out, but some are not hugely expensive and not in the super yacht category but more expensive than most new cruising yachts. His largest yacht is currently having it extended at the stern. Hate to think what owning and maintaining these boats costs the owner, but he does run his own private jet, so he is extremely wealthy and doubt it will worry him.
Currently he now works for an owner who has 12 boats across the world. He looks after 11 of them. I hate what that lot costs as I do not think any are chartered out, but some are not hugely expensive and not in the super yacht category but more expensive than most new cruising yachts. His largest yacht is currently having it extended at the stern. Hate to think what owning and maintaining these boats costs the owner, but he does run his own private jet, so he is extremely wealthy and doubt it will worry him.
Chiara’s slave
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Another league. My 8M skipper/owner does ok, he’s got a small fleet, incuding another classic and a semi tasteful revenger RIB with a lot of HP. We work on his boats because we are mates, and to repay for the sailing, not as paid hands.
jamie N
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To own a 'Spirit' yacht is a work of marketing magic, in creating a scenario of 'old money' that appeals to those who wish it.
I find it easy to imagine that the people lusting after the 'Spirit' yacht, are those that are a modern 'Gatsby' type, wishing the illusion without the reality.
The yachts are undoubtedly beautiful, and will sail as wonderfully as one could ever desire, but they aren't going to endure without all of the care, the hours and devotion that has allowed some examples of the originals to survive.
To each their own.
I find it easy to imagine that the people lusting after the 'Spirit' yacht, are those that are a modern 'Gatsby' type, wishing the illusion without the reality.
The yachts are undoubtedly beautiful, and will sail as wonderfully as one could ever desire, but they aren't going to endure without all of the care, the hours and devotion that has allowed some examples of the originals to survive.
To each their own.
Zing
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I watched the 111 video again. Actually, I’m going to row back on this. Only the factory should touch these boats. The 111 footer particularly sets such sublime standards I would not have ANY boat yard go near it.
Chiara’s slave
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How do you feel about the skipper and 15 hairy hired hands who'll be dripping sweat and charging about on your deck, passing steel buoys at 12kn by a margin of a metre?
Zing
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Ugh. What an awful image.
Chiara’s slave
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They are day racers, it’s what they do. I’ve raced against them.
Stemar
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I'm not a racer and rarely follow any sort of racing, so I know nothing of racing dimensions, so please forgive the stupid question.
How does an 8M boat get to be 50ft long? My 8m cat would have to be travelling at around 99% of the speed of light to be that long and, while I know speed is the idea, all the wishful thinking and post race drinks in the world aren't going to get those things anywhere near that!
How does an 8M boat get to be 50ft long? My 8m cat would have to be travelling at around 99% of the speed of light to be that long and, while I know speed is the idea, all the wishful thinking and post race drinks in the world aren't going to get those things anywhere near that!
Chiara’s slave
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It was never 8M long. It’s built to the International rule. Like Americas cup boats used to be 12M class, they were never 39 footers. More like 70. The number is the product of a handicapping rule. The rule tends to make them about that on the upright waterline, but with huge overhangs.