Bayliner Problems

[Guest]

I recently bought a Bayliner.

However as much as I like my baot, I found a number of problems on Miami Vice II, she has US electronics including a Gamin GPS that won't re-initialise - it thinks I am in Florida at the moment. The radar turns counter clock-wise and doesn't appear to be giving much of an image over 2 miles, finally the bilge pumps run all the time and there is about three inches in the bottom of the boat if I leave it for the week. Any immediate thoughts on fixing these?

Finally my wife hates the interior and is worried by the condition of the hull. AS I have spent a lot of money on the boat (around about £32,000) buying, shipping and import can the board suggest a re-sale value in the UK, I'd be willing to take a bit of a bath on the boat and lose three or four thousand - would it be cheaper to swap over to a Broom Aft Cabin or a Fairline Targa 33 or something small like that, which is more in keeping with what the rest of you think a UK boater should have?<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by kimhollamby on Mon Oct 1 10:45:34 2001 (server time).</FONT></P>

 

[Guest]

Re: calling DFL , Kim

Power gives way to sail, and that's that. Like driving on the left in the UK.

Duncan, your text reads very badly. Do you mean it to do that?

Please don't bang on about "proper boaters" as though you have vast knowledge, and belittling others on the BB. There are all sorts hereabouts, many/most with much more experience, and useful for learning. One of your postings was somewhat nasty, suggesting they should buy a rowboat, and that you were a "proper" boater - yet there's no such thing.

If you are awful, others will clear off, not write interesting stuff, stop telling their funny/silly stories, stop asking open questions to start an interesting discussion for fear of being slapped down. For example, your experience says that housesharing doesn't work - but it's an opinion. Use IMHO (in my humble opinion) to soften the text. Or stay quiet and lurch in later. There are lots of succesful boat sharing schemes. They aren't to scrape together enough - they often purchase boats worth hundreds of thousand or millions of pounds

Anyway, ease up a bit? Funniest stories, especially in print, are those against oneself.

 

[kimhollamby]

Re: calling DFL , Kim

FYI the rowing boat jibe was deleted about 30min ago and I have sent a message to Duncan regarding that unnecessary crack. Thanks for the comments bringing a sense of balance here Matt.

 

[kimhollamby]

Stamping feet!

For everyone's reference, Duncan's message here has been altered to remove the parts that were likely to cause a small civil war...I've also killed the responses to those bits for clarity. Duncan, any more attempts to stir a riot this week and I'll suspend your membership just so I can get on with some other work...

 

[Guest]

Re: Stamping feet!

Once again I am forced to apologise for free speech. OK I overstepped the mark again, but I am just trying to "banter" along with the rest of the board. Graham Wignall said on another thread that Barry was a bad luck charm - I just thought it would be OK.

Moderation will be my watchword in future.

 

[kimhollamby]

Re: Stamping feet!

Thanks Duncan...there may be some regulars here who occasionally feel inclined to rip to hind quarters out of each others' sailing pants but many others who are simply here to read threads and occasionally interact with them.

Free speech is one thing but they are governed by Ts and Cs here - if you want to check them please scroll further down towards the nav bar that sits under the forum message boxes.

Hopefully that's more than enough from me.

 

[Guest]

Re: Stamping feet!

Ooer. I'd never read these before. I'll try and post quicker in future to minimise the load on the server. Also, mb I'll tr 2 use lss vwls 2 sv strge. Wd nt wnt 2 cause offnc

 

[Guest]

Re: Bathtime!

Boats for sale on ybw shows several 10m Bayliner Monetgos for sale at uk equivalent of betwen £15k and 20k for a 1978. is this the same model?

However, they are in the USA where petrols are more liked, as the fuel is cheap. I'd guess that your boat should sell at between £12k and £17k depending on condition.

 

[kimhollamby]

Re: Bathtime!

Other thing to watch out for on all recent imports from outside of the EEA is that they have been made to comply with the Recreational Craft Directive - not an easy task in the case of an already constructed boat. Enforcement of this law is down to Trading Standards Officers in the UK and they are not exactly sat on the quay watching imports come in to check for compliance. But it would be illegal to import and, by definition, subsequently sell a boat recently shipped in from outside the EEA without a CE mark...can put some further details in here if anyone is interested.

 

[jfm]

Re: effect of bunkering on value, CE mark

Matt, on reading your post I was going to point out it will be worth 10% more when I've filled it wiv petrol. But reading Kim's post, can I revise that to 50%. In fact, it might even be illegal for me to fill it with petrol if it doesn't have a CE mark, eek!

JFM

 

[Guest]

Re: effect of bunkering on value, CE mark

Kim, is this true? If Duncan tries to sell, he can't because a 20 odd yr old boat doesn't have CE approval? Surely they can't make it retrospective? I would accept that you could expect trouble on a non CE marked import built AFTER the CE stuff came in, but not before.

 

[hlb]

Not having read the unedited version, I'll try to be constructive. Kim take note.
Now you dont say how big this bayliner is, so its hard to know whether you've bought it cheap or not.
However the bigger it is the more of a problem the petrol engines will present and the bigger the repair job on the hull.
Its ok us lot talking about it but at the end of the day we havent seen it so. Go get a survey done on the boat and get his advise also see a broker and get a valuation in present condition and with repairs done. Also look at re engining it or allot cheaper and easier, convert it to gas.
But tell me. If its got all these horendous faults that you mention, what made you go to America and buy it.
Or has it only a few little faults that are easily put right.

Haydn

 

[Guest]

Re: bigger bathtime! RCD extract

Special Note Regarding Used Craft
The Directive requires that used craft being imported and placed on the market in the EEA for the first time, or being put into service in the EEA for the first time, are CE marked. However, the requirements of the Directive make no special provision for used craft and are such that it is impossible for second hand craft to comply with them. This means that used craft cannot be CE marked and therefore cannot be legally imported into the EEA. This anomaly in the Directive is well known about among member states but there are no immediate plans to rectify it. There are amendments to the Directive tabled for about 2003, but it is unlikely that these will include any changes regarding used craft. THIS MEANS THAT THE IMPORTATION OF USED CRAFT INTO EUROPE IS LIKELY TO REMAIN ILLEGAL FOR THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE.

(copied form www.conformance .co.uk)


So it's lillegal to have imported it, as originally indicated (praps) by Deleted User. Heck. And also illegal to try and sell it.

Still, it's only 32 grand, and if you can't afford it ... ;-)

 

[Guest]

Re: bunkering and CE

no, can't sell it legally GW, tho "i'd have thought" so too. As for putting fuel in it, jfm, then it might be constured as an attempted insurance job - the boat shouldn't be here.

 

[hlb]

Re Back to Square One.

Its a plant pot!!
Oh well.

Haydn

 

[kimhollamby]

Re: effect of bunkering on value, CE mark

It's all down to timing...if the actual secondhand boat in question was in service in a European Economic Area country on or before 16 June 1998 then it need not comply with the Recreational Craft Directive and carry the obgligatory CE Mark saying that it does so. But I would recommend that owners carry proof (a berthing receipt or the like) as part of the bill of sale documents. If the boat was lying outside of the EEA on 16 June 1998 then it has a problem.

In reality, if the boat was a mainstream European make that just happened to be outside of the EEA on 16 June 1998, then I doubt if anyone will turn a hair. But boats from places like America and Taiwan certainly are likely targets...this is something that has been highlighted quite a few times already in MBM and MBY.

Trying to make a boat retrospectively comply with the RCD, even though there are countless routes to compliance, verges somewhere between difficult to impossible. The more expensive the boat, the greater the likely initial saving in purchase price and the more viable the exercise. At the sportsboat end the accepted wisdom is forget it.

One UK company has made a business out of advising on likely compliance and carrying out work. CEProof can be contacted on 44 (0)23 8045 3245.

Are people getting caught in droves? Answer no...I'm sure TS officers are quite happily engaged on keeping consumer conmen off the streets. But as more and more owners and brokers become familiar with this rule, so it will pay to have a) bought the right boat and b) made sure you have the correct paperwork.

 

[Guest]

Re: Gardeners Question Time!

I knew we get there one day. The three inches of bilge water is no longer a problem, the radar is a weather vane. Bedding plants indoors, mushrooms in the smaller cabins.

 

[Geoffs]

Re: bigger bathtime! RCD extract

So, poor old Duncan is going to have a bath in gaol.

A similar situation exists with industrial equipment, as laid down by the Machinery Directive.

A warning to us all, perhaps.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Re: bigger bathtime! RCD extract

Yeah, it was me re CE Marking. Sounds like old Dunc's best option now is to scuttle the beast mid-channel and claim off the insurance...........BTW,IMHO DFL is still a wind-up

 

[jfm]

Re: well said Deleted User

IMHO I agree with your HO.

JFM