Bavaria Rudder vs Tesla

[Bouba]

I didn't say they weren't perfectly fine seats, but they are made of plastic. Vegan Leather is marketing BS to make people feel better about their £50k car having plastic seats. It's clearly not leather of any sort.

It’s not meant to be leather…because of the dead animal bit…but the product is as good as and as long lasting. It’s the whole ethos…cars just as good, vegan leather just as good…ie no excuse for not doing the right thing….even if that requires a little marketing from a company that has no marketing department nor marketing budget

 

[lustyd]

It’s not meant to be leather…because of the dead animal bit…but the product is as good as and as long lasting. It’s the whole ethos…cars just as good, vegan leather just as good…ie no excuse for not doing the right thing….even if that requires a little marketing from a company that has no marketing department nor marketing budget

It’s not just as good as real leather though. I’m sure they’re nice enough but pretending plastic is as good as leather is just virtue signalling. Im fine with the dead cow bit, its better for the environment to use the whole cow than let it rot and produce methane while also consuming plastic that doesn’t last as long.

 

[Bouba]

It’s not just as good as real leather though. I’m sure they’re nice enough but pretending plastic is as good as leather is just virtue signalling. Im fine with the dead cow bit, its better for the environment to use the whole cow than let it rot and produce methane while also consuming plastic that doesn’t last as long.

Look…you can take a Tesla vegan leather seat…drop a boat on it and it will still look as good as new.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Look…you can take a Tesla vegan leather seat…drop a boat on it and it will still look as good as new.

Can someone please drop a boat on Musk and see if he has the same properties?

 

[Sandy]

That is going to be an interesting insurance claim.

 

[jfm]

Someone went to a lot of effort to produce those pics. .... they even wrote a press article about it and put it behind a Gothenberg Post paywall.

Tesla kraschade in i segelbåt – ung man döms

I hope you're not arguing that it isn't photoshopped, but I'm not sure . If there are any doubters out there still thinking it might be genuine:

1.Aqua magazine/Gothenberg Post aren't immune to being duped.

2. Smashes along the right side front wing and door skin, and the busted right hand door mirror, when the boat didn't even touch those things? (see first pic in the Aqua magazine article).

3. If the rudder landed on the windscreen from above, which must be the case as the bonnet isn't scraped by the the Tesla driving into the rudder, then how did the Tesla park its windscreen under a rudder that would have been barely a foot above the tarmac? Clearly the boat's keel was on the tarmac pre-incident, so there would have been no space (height) to drive a car under the rudder.

4. Saving the best till last - the rudder stock is one foot to starboard of the Bavaria's centreline. The whole rudder is photoshopped badly onto the boat. Even has a different shade of blue paint!

 

[Bouba]

I hope you're not arguing that it isn't photoshopped, but I'm not sure . If there are any doubters out there still thinking it might be genuine:

1.Aqua magazine/Gothenberg Post aren't immune to being duped.

2. Smashes along the right side front wing and door skin, and the busted right hand door mirror, when the boat didn't even touch those things? (see first pic in the Aqua magazine article).

3. If the rudder landed on the windscreen from above, which must be the case as the bonnet isn't scraped by the the Tesla driving into the rudder, then how did the Tesla park its windscreen under a rudder that would have been barely a foot above the tarmac? Clearly the boat's keel was on the tarmac pre-incident, so there would have been no space (height) to drive a car under the rudder.

4. Saving the best till last - the rudder stock is one foot to starboard of the Bavaria's centreline. The whole rudder is photoshopped badly onto the boat. Even has a different shade of blue paint!

You make a good case !.....in fact look at those vegan leather car seats....how did they remain so perfect ?

 

[jfm]

Good case? It's an open and shut case! There are many more glitches I didn't bother to list. In post #1, the photo of the Tesla's front has the Bavaria swim ladder touching the Tesla's A pillar; the photo of the Tesla's rear has the swim ladder is a metre in front of the A pillar. And so on . You're easily duped

 

[Boathook]

Look…you can take a Tesla vegan leather seat…drop a boat on it and it will still look as good as new.

Seeing that you have the boat and tesla Bouba, could you try this and report back please.

 

[Bouba]

Seeing that you have the boat and tesla Bouba, could you try this and report back please.

I was hoping that nobody would call my bluff....

 

[westernman]

Just a shame about the piece of meat behind the wheel .....

Or may be not.
If he goes around attacking Bavarias.

 

[mainsail1]

Can someone please drop a boat on Musk and see if he has the same properties?

Why would you want to do that?

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Good case? It's an open and shut case! There are many more glitches I didn't bother to list. In post #1, the photo of the Tesla's front has the Bavaria swim ladder touching the Tesla's A pillar; the photo of the Tesla's rear has the swim ladder is a metre in front of the A pillar. And so on . You're easily duped

.... I'm glad this thread has generated so much interest .... I also thought they were photoshopped when it popped up one of my news feeds, so I did a bit of digging to rule out cries of "fake news" before posting. The story was broken by Göterborgs-Posten who had a reporter, Robin Rasper (I checked him out on LinkedIn) and the photographer, Anders Abrahamsson (also checked out) . They are credited with the story and the photos from the night of the incident. Aqua credits GP for their published photographs - there are also photos from the public which were credited in follow up stories and present in blogs etc. The press sourced photos have the number plates pixelated out.

Tesla i krock med segelbåt – två bilar fastklämda

The story was then taken up by Niklas Eriksson of the Aftonbladet (A national tabloid) .. with his photo credited to a reader.

Bil krockade med båt – en till sjukhus

... and Swedish Radio also had an article on it.

Bil krockade med segelbåt – en till sjukhus - P4 Göteborg

There is an archive of a long discussion folowing the case in Swedish (however, with expired links to police reports and court proceedings among others.)

Göteborg. Tesla i krock med segelbåt - smet från olyckan.

.. and another here with yet more photos ...

https://www.maringuiden.se/forum/topic/100711-tesla-i-krock-med-segelbåt-–-två-bilar-fastklämda/

Now it could all indeed be fake and some sort of conspiracy, but to be honest, in this case, IMO Occam's razor applies and the crash being real rather than an elaborate photoshop hoax is a more likely scenario - there are too many named witnesses, including police spokesmen (Christer Fuxborg - checked out), and too many news outlets for the story to be a scam - I have also found nothing debunking the story - which in this day and age happens quite quickly.

This does leave the question if individual photos have been modified for more impact? Again, why? What is the motivation? The photos are all from different times of day and different angles, all taken during a clean-up process so things will be moved and removed - if you take them as a whole they are a pretty good and consistent record IMO. There is also a photo from one of the blogs that clearly shows blue anti-fouling and damage to the front left wing of the Tesla, behind the front wheel by the A-Pillar, which suggests how the rudder ended up through the windscreen without touching the bonnet. I've been in the auto industry for 40 years and seen my fair share of odd crashes and this one doesn't really rank as that unusual. It takes a lot of painstaking work to determine speed, trajectory, objects involved etc. - especially if it is a loss of control accident involving lateral movement, rotation, and contact with multiple objects. You only have the aftermath to work from although the vehicle will save relevent data from the run-up to airbag deployment. As there were no deaths in this accident, there will be no in-depth analysis from either Tesla or the Police to piece together trajectory, rotation, velocity, deceleration etc. and no determination of exactly what happened.

For anyone still interested -

Picture Archive here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/vbmm5G2g4iTVsrTR7

Translated text from original article:

Robin Rasper & Anders Abrahamsson
Updated: 2021-04-03|Published: 2021-04-02
The alarm about the strange accident at Hinsholmen in western Gothenburg was called in at 11:41 p.m. on Friday evening. When the rescue service and ambulance arrived at the scene, they found that a large sailboat had overturned over two cars, one in the stern and one in the bow.

How the accident happened was still somewhat unclear during the night. At first, the police understood it as two cars having first collided with each other and that the sailboat had then overturned over them.

– But that is not the case. Instead, it is a single accident where one of the cars has first driven into a sailboat which in turn has then overturned over the car that caused the incident but also over a car that was parked there, said Morten Gunneng, duty officer at the police in Region Väst to GP on Friday evening.

A couple of hours after the traffic accident, the police say they are sure who drove the Tesla into the sailboat, but the suspected young man has not yet been in contact with the police, according to Christer Fuxborg, press spokesman for the police region West.

– We know who it is. However, he has not yet wanted to make himself known, he says.

According to information provided to the police, the young man lost control of the electric car and skidded into the other car at the scene, which then caused the sailboat to fall over the vehicles. An unfortunate “domino effect”, according to Christer Fuxborg.

– This is not a serious crime, but a situation that has gone out of control where the accident has occurred and he has the utmost bad luck. That said, it is all serious, someone could have done something wrong because it is a boat of about ten tons, says Christer Fuxborg.

Passenger taken away in ambulance
According to the police, the suspect was not alone in the car, in addition to the driver, there were also two other people.

One of them was taken to hospital after the person got glass splinters in the eyes when the boat's rudder went through the front window of the Tesla.

- Fortunately, no one has been seriously injured, only things that can be restored, says Christer Fuxborg.

Initially, the young man was suspected of drunk driving and unlawfully leaving the scene of a traffic accident. However, since the police have not come into contact with the man, the suspicions of drunk driving have been dropped.

- Since he fled the scene and we cannot get hold of him, it is difficult to prove that he was drunk during the incident, says Christer Fuxborg and continues:

- This is serious, the penalty scale includes a fine or imprisonment of up to six months. If the crime is considered serious, it can result in up to a year in prison.

The man will be called for questioning after the weekend and is currently suspected of gross negligence in traffic and avoiding a traffic accident.

When GP was on site in the port area during the night towards Saturday, the operation was still ongoing. The police checked a couple of private cars driving in the area and the rescue service tried to get in touch with the boat owner.

According to the rescue service personnel, the boat needs to be lifted with a crane.

– A 42-foot sailboat is not exactly easy to get up, explained duty officer Morten Gunneng.

Google in Swedish to throw up more information from other news sources etc.

@jfm "Easily duped" is not normally how people would describe me, as I'm sure "quick to jump to conclusions" is not how people might describe you - but here we are

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Why would you want to do that?

Anthropological research .... but I might need to get in line.

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[Daydream believer]

A good few years ago we bought a brand new X332 which was delivered from Denmark by road. We subsequently met the owner of the previous one to be delivered and he told us the sorry story of how a car ran into the back of the truck in Germany and took the rudder out.

My friend of my mate had an Orca take his out. Somehow I sort of prefer the Porche option

 

[jfm]

@jfm "Easily duped" is not normally how people would describe me, as I'm sure "quick to jump to conclusions" is not how people might describe you - but here we are

Wow that's a big post with lots of links!
I make no comment on the back story of whether a Tesla hit a boat somewhere in the world - that might have happened.
I merely say that those pictures in post #1 are photoshopped. All your research and links can't change the fact that the rudder stock of that Bavaria is 1 foot to starboard of the boat's centreline, nor change all the other basic schoolboy photoshop errors mentioned above. Yup I may have concluded quickly, but that's because it doesn't take long to see these basic errors.

 

[Bouba]

Wow that's a big post with lots of links!
I make no comment on the back story of whether a Tesla hit a boat somewhere in the world - that might have happened.
I merely say that those pictures in post #1 are photoshopped. All your research and links can't change the fact that the rudder stock of that Bavaria is 1 foot to starboard of the boat's centreline, nor change all the other basic schoolboy photoshop errors mentioned above. Yup I may have concluded quickly, but that's because it doesn't take long to see these basic errors.

I’ve looked closely at the rudder stock.....and agree that it looks off....but I think it’s just an optical illusion and is on the center line

 

[billskip]

I’ve looked closely at the rudder stock.....and agree that it looks off....but I think it’s just an optical illusion and is on the center line

 

[Bouba]

What’s your opinion, Bill ?

 

[billskip]

What’s your opinion, Bill ?

I would say the Tesla looks like a Tesla, and the Bavaria looks like a Bavaria.

No matter what angle a photo is taken its a straight line between center of the transom, the hole for the rudder stock, and the keel on the boat, if one point was out of position it would be a dog leg.