Bavaria in administration?

Daydream believer said:
So you do not think that calling someone is a "clueless yuppie" is an insult?
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Well, it doesn't really matter, does it? I simply used the same terminology of the post I was commenting.
But you felt the urge to reply to mine, asking "Why do people try to insult others who have the money to buy decent sized boats"...
...Which is the reasoning that I described as a weird psychiatric attitude - and I rest my case. :rolleyes: :D
 
Seajet said:
Nobody suggests you learn in a ' leaky 22 bilge keel drudge ' - quite the opposite - but if you've never learned in dinghies first, which teach intuitive response to sail and crew trim, then jump straight into a 40' yacht as newbies, far from jealousy I pity such people, I've had larger boats and returned to my 22 as a purist choice for sailing enjoyment; and I steer well clear of newbies in cruisers in general, let alone 40' as they will indeed be clueless - if learning to fly I wouldn't start with a 747.
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Dear Uncle Albert

I’m sure these people would disagree with you



and if you could be bothered to view their videos you’d see why.

Actually upon reflection I don’t think that they’d give a damn about your all encompassing opinion.

Right, I’m going back to your seemingly mythical story about the cut, then disappearing line.

Story so far:

Your tied outside numerous/several boats and have a shore line.

A boat reverses and cuts the shore line.

Skipper of said boat presumably ties his boat up again.

Goes back to the harbour wall.

Undoes the shore end of the cut line.

Crosses numerous/several boats onto your boat.

Undoes the line on your boat.

Takes it.

Recrosses to the wall and onto his boat.

Motors off taking both parts of your cut line.

Give me a while, I’m sure I’ll get it, hold on, no, that’s not it, um, cuts it with a knife then clambers onto your boat from his to undo the line, no, it must be cut it with his rope cutter so clambers across all the boats onto yours and pulls it free then takes it with him whilst all the watchers do is make a note of his name, surely not, hang on, he stole the rope after cutting it so MUST have gone ashore again to steal it with the witnesses watching, but hang on ...

Give me time, I like puzzles.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...-collision-in-Chchester&p=6537796#post6537796
 
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Seajet said:
Nobody suggests you learn in a ' leaky 22 bilge keel drudge ' - quite the opposite - but if you've never learned in dinghies first, which teach intuitive response to sail and crew trim, then jump straight into a 40' yacht as newbies, far from jealousy I pity such people, I've had larger boats and returned to my 22 as a purist choice for sailing enjoyment; and I steer well clear of newbies in cruisers in general, let alone 40' as they will indeed be clueless - if learning to fly I wouldn't start with a 747.
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Well, my first sailing boat is a 45’ catamaran and we seem to be doing ok, knock on wood, (of which there ain’t much around unless you count Alpi).

FWIW, we are learning to sail by, well, sailing and reading and watching YouTube - what a wonderful time to be alive!

In the last seven months we’ve done 3000 nm and are currently blasting around the Canary Islands, which is awash with all sorts of folk, young and old in all sorts of boats.

I’m grateful for your pity and whilst I appreciate you will be keeping clear, if you do get close enough to see the grins on our faces, give us a wave :)
 
Daydream believer said:
Ok I will fall for it -- what on earth is ABP & come to that how on earth do i get the smilies to come up (so Seajet knows that i was only joking!!!!)
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Specifically AdBlock Plus, the inference in Feedback is that any adblocker may interfere with Forum functions. I run ABP and cant rate threads (no big loss) nor use smilies from the pick list but I can still hand write them
 
Daydream believer said:
You seemed quite happy playing with jump jets-- but I am not sure that I would trust you with a kite (Sorry but my smilies will not come up !!!)
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Quite the opposite; if you ever had the chance to see a Harrier on engine runs in the specially designed pens, they were restrained by chains and bottlescrews several inches in diameter, I and the technicians were usually behind armoured glass in a titanium lined wall several feet thick, and it was still frightening as the Rolls Royce engine specialist selected full ' combat ' ( briefly allowed increased jet pipe tempeature ) power along with water injection; the very strong tailplane would flutter in an invisible blurr, the whole impression was of an angry T-Rex just barely restrained - in earlier days with a much less powerful engine one did break free and through the doors, giving the bod the brief ride of a lifetime until breaking the noseleg.

I was happy in the simulator, and took pics from nearly underneath hovering Harriers, but no way would I make a Harrier pilot.

I'm quite happy with big spinnakers though, I just treat them with respect. - would put up a pic of self singlehanded with the Carter 30's big traditional kite but can't be arsed working out the latest way of putting pics here - and I often flew kites solo on my Scorpion and Osprey.

So if you really want to frighten yourself fartless, get in a decent Harrier simulator.
 
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JumbleDuck said:
I'm with you there. Although I haven't seen any statistics to support it, it's hard to believe that the tens of thousands of UK people who charter in nice sunny places each year would otherwise be flogging around the Solent or the Clyde. Looking round most UK seaside resorts it would be hard to believe that anyone aged under 65 ever goes on holiday ...

I'm in my early fifties. I rarely meet anyone younger than me sailing on the West Coast of Scotland.
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Echo that. I’m in my early forties, when I bought the boat was in my mid 30s and SWMBO was just 30. We never ever meet anyone our own age, and the closest sailing friends we had (about 5 years older than us) packed it in last winter due to costs.

Frankly couples old enough to be our parents are what we generally meet and most of them have no interest in striking up a friendship with ‘kids’, especially when we have little crew of our own. The average on this board I think is north of 60 and kind of reinforces the point. British owner-cruising is a closed shop of pensioners by and large.

It’s a little bit better in Milford than where we were in Cardiff, because the sailing is easier and it is realistic for the odd younger person to buy a MAB and make a go if it- last time out a chap about 30 rafted his old Hurley to us in Milford lock, he’d just bought it and was taking his 5yr old son on a sailing holiday, made a Horlicks of getting alongside as no experience etc but he was giving it a go but on no budget at all.

Later we locked out with most of the local racing fleet and the crews were absolutely superannuated, we had my early-seventies parents onboard and they looked youthful compared to this lot.

I’m not worried about sailing per se- plenty of young people race enterprises out of our ‘home’ club in Penarth- but cruiser ownership is about to drop off a cliff in the UK.
 
bitbaltic said:
Echo that. I’m in my early forties, when I bought the boat was in my mid 30s and SWMBO was just 30. We never ever meet anyone our own age, and the closest sailing friends we had (about 5 years older than us) packed it in last winter due to costs.

Frankly couples old enough to be our parents are what we generally meet.

The average on this board I think is north of 60 and kind of reinforces the point.

I’m not worried about sailing per se- plenty of young people race enterprises out of our ‘home’ club in Penarth- but cruiser ownership is about to drop off a cliff in the UK.
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I don't think ownership is going will drop off the cliff. Demand for new boats might shift to smaller more manageable ones that the over 60s may have to down size to. .I think there is all ready a huge increase in availability of cruising boats of all sizes. This is having a big impact on values and when the over 60s finally get realistic about their sales values there will be many bargains for youngsters to take on once they want to move on from their Enterprises!

Last Night I met up with a couple that we sailed in company with over our early summer holiday. They have just returned from an extended season of cruising. Neither are in their 60s They covered Southern Ireland. Scillies, South West incl Plymouth, Falmouth, Channel Islands back to Scillies, Padstow. Cardiff. Padstow Dale Back to North Wales.

They hardly met any other couples but they did meet an awful lot of Grumpy, Elderly Single Handed Brits!

The other contrast is that this year they have only had to wear their oilies for half an hour.....In the whole time they cruised. Last year in Scotland was the complete opposite!

Their boat was a bargain . It was a really well built older Bavaria 40 in immaculate condition.

Sold to them by an elderly grumpy old man who had hardly used it and had it from new, family not interested in taking it on and wife didn't want to go cruising with him anymore!

There are going to be a lot more of these available in the next 10 years. Rich pickings for youngsters starting out.
Steve
 
bitbaltic said:
Echo that. I’m in my early forties, when I bought the boat was in my mid 30s and SWMBO was just 30. We never ever meet anyone our own age, and the closest sailing friends we had (about 5 years older than us) packed it in last winter due to costs.

Frankly couples old enough to be our parents are what we generally meet and most of them have no interest in striking up a friendship with ‘kids’, especially when we have little crew of our own. The average on this board I think is north of 60 and kind of reinforces the point. British owner-cruising is a closed shop of pensioners by and large.

It’s a little bit better in Milford than where we were in Cardiff, because the sailing is easier and it is realistic for the odd younger person to buy a MAB and make a go if it- last time out a chap about 30 rafted his old Hurley to us in Milford lock, he’d just bought it and was taking his 5yr old son on a sailing holiday, made a Horlicks of getting alongside as no experience etc but he was giving it a go but on no budget at all.

Later we locked out with most of the local racing fleet and the crews were absolutely superannuated, we had my early-seventies parents onboard and they looked youthful compared to this lot.

I’m not worried about sailing per se- plenty of young people race enterprises out of our ‘home’ club in Penarth- but cruiser ownership is about to drop off a cliff in the UK.
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I think there are significant regional variations in age distribution of sailors. We are Solent based and the profile is a fair bit younger than you describe. Prior to coming here, we were based in Chatham and, once again, there were plenty in their thirties and forties.
 
TSB240 said:
They hardly met any other couples but they did meet an awful lot of Grumpy, Elderly Single Handed Brits!
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Who added the "Grumpy" to the description? you or them. I ask because being a single hand sailor I often associate with other single handers & compare notes. I find nearly all very friendly apart from one or two who like to keep themselves to themselves . No problem with that but they cannot be described as "grumpy. On my regular annual route from the east coast to Camaret via the channel islands there are a couple of single handers who I have met several times & we look out for each other in places like Belgium & Holland. So my experience of single handers is that they are no different from other sailors Possibly less " grumpy" than some of the "haughty ex bank manager types" who packed in their jobs years ago; having saved the bank from failure -- bossing their crew & other boat owners about. & there are a lot of those about for sure.
 
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Samuel
It was NOT my observation that all single handers are Grumpy and elderly. It was just they had observed and reported that during their summer away that they met a high proportion that were.

Must have been their luck to meet your few that "like to keep themselves to themselves"

I think the main comment was that some could barely communicate with more than a grunt.
Maybe they had:
Broken their hearing aids?
Left their false teeth in the jar in the heads?
Joints seized and arthritis playing up causing sleep deprivation?
Or all three:eek:

I am sure you don't fit the category but hey you took the bait!:encouragement:.

They are a lovely friendly couple. Always having time for other people.
The lady partner had a very interesting career in photographic journalism! I will say no more as my partner might not understand me!

Steve
 
Daydream believer said:
And of course you would in no way be biased, would you?????:ambivalence:
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Not sure why you think that!

I suspect I will be joining the SHGROAP's annual cruise at some stage pretty soon! Priorities will be giving up work and persuading The Admirable that her dickey hips would be better off staying ashore whilst I go off and enjoy my selfish pleasure.:)

I must make sure I have my +3 dioptre reading glasses,my dentures firmly fitted and my deaf aid battery fully charged should we accidentally meet.:encouragement:
 
TSB240 said:
Not sure why you think that!

I suspect I will be joining the SHGROAP's annual cruise at some stage pretty soon! Priorities will be giving up work and persuading The Admirable that her dickey hips would be better off staying ashore whilst I go off and enjoy my selfish pleasure.:)

I must make sure I have my +3 dioptre reading glasses,my dentures firmly fitted and my deaf aid battery fully charged should we accidentally meet.:encouragement:
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I always say that my excuse for sailing on my own is that nobody likes me - I think that is infinitely better than describing one's wifes' hips in detail to all and sundry:encouragement:
 
pvb said:
Excellent news! But how are the new owners going to go about their aim of "improving production costs"?
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They'll limp along for a few more years before they bow to the inevitable. Too many boats chasing too few owners in my opinion.
 
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