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Easier to dinghy across the harbour.

Morgat is closer to the Raz de Sein.
Audierne if you want a convenient anchorage after the Raz (weather permitting)
Guilvinec is a proper harbour as is Loctudy.

Now that Guilvinec seems to be welcoming to cruising yachts, not always the case, if you want to get past the Raz before the crossing I think it would be a good choice rather than go into the bay to Audierne which is quite limited as a town and the tide runs through the pontoons which can make leaving entertaining.
 

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Not if you wait for the wind. Why rush? Life is too short. We are probably old fashioned. We go with wind and tide. No point in trying to beat the elements.?

When you're in Audierne, you're not just waiting for the wind, you're waiting for the tide too.
And for both to be in your favour, you could be waiting a LONG time.
And none of us are getting any younger. :p
 

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Yes, but compare Audierne just across the road and a 1/2 mile hike. Come on now, I have used both many a time. As a place with all its amenities, Audierne is hard to beat.
Not really comparing like with like. Audierne has a small, expensive Casino near the port. The decent supermarkets are a mile and a half up a hill, albeit accessible by a pleasant coastal / woodland walk. Camaret has a decent Super U in the town on the flat with nearby dinghy access.
IMO Loctudy is the best "wait to cross" port with no tidal gate, a sheltered anchorage option and good shops with easy access to Pont l'Abbe and Quimper if you're there a while. And a shorter crossing than Camaret.
 

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On the other hand and if you are not seeking to provision or take on fuel Ushant and Lampaul give you easy access to the outside route and avoid the Raz and even the Chanel du Four if you wish.
 

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When you're in Audierne, you're not just waiting for the wind, you're waiting for the tide too.
And for both to be in your favour, you could be waiting a LONG time.
And none of us are getting any younger. :p
The only time that we have had to stay longer than we wished was in 2000 on our way to the Med. This was before GRIB files. We had intended Dartmouth to A Corunna but, going through the Chenal du Four, heard a forecast on R4 thst did not sound good. I made the best decision of my life and diverted to Ste Evette initially, then went up river. There were F10s on the way and we could not leave for a fortnight. Otherwise, we have never been stick there longer than we wished. Nowadays, it is all about using weather info sensibly and systematically.
 

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Not really comparing like with like. Audierne has a small, expensive Casino near the port. The decent supermarkets are a mile and a half up a hill, albeit accessible by a pleasant coastal / woodland walk. Camaret has a decent Super U in the town on the flat with nearby dinghy access.
IMO Loctudy is the best "wait to cross" port with no tidal gate, a sheltered anchorage option and good shops with easy access to Pont l'Abbe and Quimper if you're there a while. And a shorter crossing than Camaret.
But, in Audierne, you have a good traiteur, two poissonneties, fresh veg in the covered market. The Casino has the heavy items, use the local shops for the rest. Who wants a big supermarket? We don’t. Get the weather right and Penmar’c is not a problem. We have “done” the area several times before our Med trip. Since 2013, being >80, we go no further than Charente Maritime. We have been through the Chenal du Four, the Raz and Penmar’c every year bar one since then. No problems. You guys are making mountains out of molehills or Cape Horns out of =really quite insignificant headlands.
We like Loctudy but for provisioning, poissoneries apart, it cannot touch Audierne.
 

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But, in Audierne, you have a good traiteur, two poissonneties, fresh veg in the covered market. The Casino has the heavy items, use the local shops for the rest. Who wants a big supermarket? We don’t. Get the weather right and Penmar’c is not a problem. We have “done” the area several times before our Med trip. Since 2013, being >80, we go no further than Charente Maritime. We have been through the Chenal du Four, the Raz and Penmar’c every year bar one since then. No problems. You guys are making mountains out of molehills or Cape Horns out of =really quite insignificant headlands.
We like Loctudy but for provisioning, poissoneries apart, it cannot touch Audierne.

I don't think anyone is making mountains out of molehills the Four and Raz are perfectly navigable tidal gates and are only problems in the wrong conditions. I don't think either comes into the reckoning, the response was to a request as to whether Audierne was a suitable starting place to cross the bay from and the general feeling seems to be that it is a little out of the way and if you are going via the inside route and stopping off in S Brittany rather than the direct no stop outside route, then there are better places to stop.
Of the times I have crossed I have gone non stop from Falmouth, stopped at Ushant and Camaret my personal opinion is that unless forced I would not make the stop any further south.
 
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He would be there now I would have thought. I bet he is crossing the bay.
 

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I'm quite convinced that the Raz de Sein or its big brother the Passage de Fromveur hold no terrors for the likes of our RYA-Instructor friend Webcraft, whose backyard led onto the Corrievreckan, Cuan Sound and the Dorus Mor.... all of these 'pussycats' in clement weather, but......

There are other passages through the necklace of islets between Ouessant and Pointe Saint-Mattieu, and a harbour at Ile Molene. Few English seem to have 'the bones' to venture there.....
 

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I don't think anyone is making mountains out of molehills the Four and Raz are perfectly navigable tidal gates and are only problems in the wrong conditions. I don't think either comes into the reckoning, the response was to a request as to whether Audierne was a suitable starting place to cross the bay from and the general feeling seems to be that it is a little out of the way and if you are going via the inside route and stopping off in S Brittany rather than the direct no stop outside route, then there are better places to stop.
Of the times I have crossed I have gone non stop from Falmouth, stopped at Ushant and Camaret my personal opinion is that unless forced I would not make the stop any further south.
Well, in our younger days, starting from Dartmouth we would plan a passage through the Four on the basis that it left options open. In our boat, 5 days would have been the expected passage time to A Corina. In those days forecasts were nowhere as near as good as nowadays. Even so, from that direction, I would still go down the Four. Not crossing the Bay, we used to prefer to carry on to Audierne rather than divert to Camaret. But we have done both.
Now, we are basically coast hoppers. Along the Brittany coast to L’Aber Wrac’h. Then our preference is straight to Audierne. Returning northward, we find it usually more convenient to use Camaret for ease of timing but, remember, we are positively ancient mariners and like an easy life. Underlying it all is that we really do like Audierne. Understandably it attracts tourists but it is still, basically a working Breton fishing village which is why we like it.
For crossing the Bay, it’s principal merit is thst it gives the shortest crossing - 3 days for us.
 
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But, in Audierne, you have a good traiteur, two poissonneties, fresh veg in the covered market. The Casino has the heavy items, use the local shops for the rest. Who wants a big supermarket? We don’t. Get the weather right and Penmar’c is not a problem. We have “done” the area several times before our Med trip. Since 2013, being >80, we go no further than Charente Maritime. We have been through the Chenal du Four, the Raz and Penmar’c every year bar one since then. No problems. You guys are making mountains out of molehills or Cape Horns out of =really quite insignificant headlands.
We like Loctudy but for provisioning, poissoneries apart, it cannot touch Audierne.
The issue with the Raz isn't anxiety but the 4knts of tide running through it. It can be worked around but why have this obstacle when alternatives are simpler?
 
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