Attainable Adventure Cruising website...anyone use it?

[ylop]

i just had a look on that~~pretty interesting
wasnt aware that it had a name, though i kinda knew about it by a different route: like when you pay a few dollars for ppl to stand in front of your shop so then a larger crowd amasses there, creating the oppurtunity for bigger sales. this crowd would never flock there if it wasnt for the smaller group of "seemingly interested" people looking up the window.

by that analogy you are standing outside the shop waving a placard, and rather than driving people away or making the shopkeeper annoyed people who never even noticed the shop existed are now wondering if there's something worth seeing inside and his loyal customers are rolling their eyes at you!

It sounds like what you were doing when your were "in the shop" was going around making a lot of noise about better deals elsewhere. Thats a sure fire way to get asked to leave most retailers!

Ideas like the A40 are a bit like crowd funding and open source projects. People don't necessarily "buy into them" because they make great ecconomic sense but rather because they want to be part of the journey. If you'd told me that in 2000 I'd have laughed in your face, Kick Starter and Indegogo etc convince me that this is real, and its not necessarily the product or the value proposition that gets people excited, its the story and the journey. Anyone paying a few pounds a month subscription isn't buying a boat they are joining in the fantasy. Your issue is your think fantasy is an insult, when actually it can be better than reality!

 

[pmnfernando]

by that analogy you are standing outside the shop waving a placard, and rather than driving people away or making the shopkeeper annoyed people who never even noticed the shop existed are now wondering if there's something worth seeing inside and his loyal customers are rolling their eyes at you!

It sounds like what you were doing when your were "in the shop" was going around making a lot of noise about better deals elsewhere. Thats a sure fire way to get asked to leave most retailers!

Ideas like the A40 are a bit like crowd funding and open source projects. People don't necessarily "buy into them" because they make great ecconomic sense but rather because they want to be part of the journey. If you'd told me that in 2000 I'd have laughed in your face, Kick Starter and Indegogo etc convince me that this is real, and its not necessarily the product or the value proposition that gets people excited, its the story and the journey. Anyone paying a few pounds a month subscription isn't buying a boat they are joining in the fantasy. Your issue is your think fantasy is an insult, when actually it can be better than reality!

Im not sure i agree with whay you say, or even follow it, seeing how my contributions were pointing at alternatives to get the boat done, and not only about reffitings.

They can disagree on my take about turning that into a kit, though i got the impression (maybe because i wasnt sufficiently explicit) that the kit would be sold by the person/group developing it.
Not subcontracting it to a 3rd party.
I didnt explicity say it because i thought that it was enough when i mentioned about maintining the quality of the product which can only be done by those immediately interested in selling it.
Is it more work? Of course it is!
But the quality assurance is there and the revenue also. because you dont pay a % to that 3rd party who could botch the whole thing up.

Even if it was more work, it was only more work initially.
Like everything, if you standardise procedures and contracts with fixed suppliers then things starts to flow. get everything in a web page, backoffice work done, buttons for each kit option, click and the PO gets dispatched immediately for the appropriated suppliers. Is this, that difficult to undertsand/implement?
To my view its not. Maybe i need glasses ahahhaha

Its not that i take fantasy as an insult.

Fantasy has a time and place for it: This is not it.

And if happend to be the way you say it is, the fantasy thing (which is totally valid btw, just incorrect in my pov) then it explains a lot about the state of things, planetary wise: whatever this is, it is Real, there are Real consequences for f+ck ups, incidents, accidents, near misses, what have you.
If ppl chose Fantasy over Reality, Then dont come back crying when shit hits the fan, which is, what i see most. I suffer no such type of ppl. and my tone will be a tell tale.

Maybe im just wrong and too serious
OTOH i love stand up and humour, that eases it up hahahaha

 

[dunedin]

by that analogy you are standing outside the shop waving a placard, and rather than driving people away or making the shopkeeper annoyed people who never even noticed the shop existed are now wondering if there's something worth seeing inside and his loyal customers are rolling their eyes at you!

….

Spot on.
Indeed, having never heard of this site or “boat” I went for a look. If anybody else wants to know what this “wee stooshie” is about can look here - Tip Topic: adventure 40

On the face of it looks like a fantasy project that will never happen - and anybody wanting a 40 footer might be better buying a boat (second hand or new, depending on budget) and go sailing now, rather than wait for something which looks rather mundane.

 

[ylop]

Spot on.
Indeed, having never heard of this site or “boat” I went for a look. If anybody else wants to know what this “wee stooshie” is about can look here - Tip Topic: adventure 40

On the face of it looks like a fantasy project that will never happen - and anybody wanting a 40 footer might be better buying a boat (second hand or new, depending on budget) and go sailing now, rather than wait for something which looks rather mundane.

Ah so actually there is an opportunity for pmnfernando to put his money where his mouth is and show he can lead this project in a better way that the current "owners"?

 

[RunAgroundHard]

... Indeed, having never heard of this site ...

Except you have heard of the site and commented on a subject that the AAC discusses in some depth.

lazyjacks and singlehand sailing

 

[dunedin]

Except you have heard of the site and commented on a subject that the AAC discusses in some depth.

lazyjacks and singlehand sailing

Surprisingly I don’t recall a site that was mentioned in passing in a forum post 4 years ago

But I did observe, when somebody was suggesting that a site had very specific views on how lazyjacks should be setup that - “There are lots of people who have very firm opinions on many things - but doesn’t mean they are always right.”

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Surprisingly I don’t recall a site that was mentioned in passing in a forum post 4 years ago

But I did observe, when somebody was suggesting that a site had very specific views on how lazyjacks should be setup that - “There are lots of people who have very firm opinions on many things - but doesn’t mean they are always right.”

Indeed, but that is the nub of the current discussion on this thread. Many forums, information sources such as YBW, Cruisers Forum, Sailing Anarchy, You Tube are mostly based on opinions and folks can get annoyed when their opinion is not accepted or challenged, pmnfernando point with AAC and the A40 being a current example. All of examples are great sources of information, but a degree of intelligence is required to sift the data and decide what is relevant for the outcome that an inquisitive person is looking for.

Also, it doesn't mean that they are always wrong.

 

[pmnfernando]

Ah so actually there is an opportunity for pmnfernando to put his money where his mouth is and show he can lead this project in a better way that the current "owners"?

i like your sense of humour!

If i would be paid to start all the unseen work of getting stuff together, then yes, i could even entertain your idea of putting someone's money (my salary, thus my money) where my mouth is.
Im not a volunteer, do you know why? I cant afford that ( hows this for a nice joke?!)

but i need a finished boat first. for which ppl at AAC say they need 1 million US for all that entails building a prototype.......

i would enjoy being the "enable":
the guy that calls, emails and chases suppliers & manufacturers to get the best price on the kit towards the client.
thats has always been the goal: to get the best price for the end consumer, provide a great building experience when it comes to the kit and the best available hardware at a specific price point.

When it comes to the CNC cutting all that is needed, again, is to have an exclusive contract with someone that will cut the kit, give them and all ther other suppliers visibility on the AAC website and get a nice discount on the kit.

I could even brush up on my self taught cad abilities and furnish the kit with supporting pieces that i can tell you (because im that smart ass you are so keen to portray me as, or so i perceived) i did my research and very few furnish building jigs, they will tell the measurements but wont give you the actual cnc cut pieces and/or locating pieces that greatly remove the need for a tape measure, when for instance, you need to find the centerline of the hull/cheking for symmetry, etc

And do you know why they dont do it?
Because its a few more hours on CAD, and people worry only about their profit and forget they can indeed provide an experience.

Assuring and ensuring that no one else cuts the kit, whislt explaining to the client that, to get all the remaining hardware, at that price, the order as to go thru AAC.

Its some work. its also doable.
they dont think the kit idea is a good one. its a valid position.

In the meanwhile i was banned for good.
Seemingly ppl do no react well for stating the differences between genres, which are backed by psychology, and prefer to react at anything that might conflict wither their pre-concepts.
Whilst i wont change myself i will refrain from pointing out obvious, for me, stuff, as i would like to keep access to this forum.

thanks to admin for enabling me to edit this post.