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[Wansworth]

Leave UK the ist July then have 90 days to float around Europe on your yacht……then what,sail to North Africa,Gibraltar.For how long do you have to remain outsideshenigan area before you have another 90 days

 

[LittleSister]

I think it would be helpful for those purposes if we Brits retook our former possessions in northern and south-western France, plus Heligoland.

We used to have quite a few possessions in the Med, too, if I remember correctly - Malta?, Menorca?, various now Greek islands?

 

[Wansworth]

I think it would be helpful for those purposes if we Brits retook our former possessions in northern and south-western France, plus Heligoland.

We used to have quite a few possessions in the Med, too, if I remember correctly - Malta?, Menorca?, various now Greek islands?

Yes that all very well……but in the short term

 

[Baggywrinkle]

If you have been 90 days continuously in the Schengen area then you need to leave and stay out for 90 days before you can come back in again. The 90 days are calculated by looking backwards from today, and ensuring that in the last 180 days, no more than 90 of them were in the Schengen area.

There's a handy explanation and calculator here:

Schengen-calculator

 

[Wansworth]

If you have been 90 days continuously in the Schengen area then you need to leave and stay out for 90 days before you can come back in again. The 90 days are calculated by looking backwards from today, and ensuring that in the last 180 days, no more than 90 of them were in the Schengen area.

There's a handy explanation and calculator here:

Schengen-calculator

Thanks.

 

[LittleSister]

Baggywrinkle is correct re British citizens who don't have an EU passport (or aliens, as they are known in continental Europe!).

The arrangements are different for the yacht itself if British for VAT purposes. I seem to recall in such cases the boat is limited to 18 months (don't quote me on that), but the clock can be reset by going outside the EU for just 24 hours.

So can I self-identify as a yacht to get these more advantageous terms?

 

[Wansworth]

Baggywrinkle is correct re British citizens who don't have an EU passport (or aliens, as they are known in continental Europe!).

The arrangements are different for the yacht itself if British for VAT purposes. I seem to recall in such cases the boat is limited to 18 months (don't quote me on that), but the clock can be reset by going outside the EU for just 24 hours.

So can I self-identify as a yacht to get these more advantageous terms?

Do you have any pointy bits that stick out…..always a good sign

 

[LittleSister]

Do you have any pointy bits that stick out…..always a good sign

I have a few rough edges that some think could do with being smoothed off.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Baggywrinkle is correct re British citizens who don't have an EU passport (or aliens, as they are known in continental Europe!).

The arrangements are different for the yacht itself if British for VAT purposes. I seem to recall in such cases the boat is limited to 18 months (don't quote me on that), but the clock can be reset by going outside the EU for just 24 hours.

So can I self-identify as a yacht to get these more advantageous terms?

All reasonably well explained here .....

Sailing in Europe after Brexit: the essential guide - Practical Boat Owner

 

[Neeves]

Just a thought,

If I enter using my British passport, stay for 90 days, and leave with same passport can I simply walk back in again, same day, using my Australian passport for another 90 days.

Jonathan

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Just a thought,

If I enter using my British passport, stay for 90 days, and leave with same passport can I simply walk back in again, same day, using my Australian passport for another 90 days.

Jonathan

Short answer no.

Long answer here:

But other countries have a rule like 90 per 180 or 30 per 365. For example, Colombia has a 90 per 180 rule, meaning you can only spend up to 90 days in a 180 day period there, regardless of the number of entries.

For those countries, it’s generally inadvisable to try and trick them by reentering with a different passport. If a country says you have visa-free access for 90 days out of every 180 days — this is the rule in the Schengen area — they aren’t talking about the passport, they’re talking about the person.

You can’t use all your different passports to come and go.

How to Travel with Two Passports

Most passports are biometric these days, and records are kept every time you enter ... the biometric data is stored on your passport and is machine readable. Two passports with the same bio data will flag the same person ... then you will get checked and asked if you have more than one passport. They will do a check to positively identify you and the rest is up to how they are feeling at the time.

 

[Neeves]

I assumed they had thought of this and wondered how it worked, thanks for the answer.

The suggestion is that if they are in a good mood they might let you in (but not worth the risk).

Jonathan

 

[Hooligan]

Short answer no.

Long answer here:



How to Travel with Two Passports

Most passports are biometric these days, and records are kept every time you enter ... the biometric data is stored on your passport and is machine readable. Two passports with the same bio data will flag the same person ... then you will get checked and asked if you have more than one passport. They will do a check to positively identify you and the rest is up to how they are feeling at the time.

True. But it doesn’t work this way in reality. I always use my Irish passport to travel in Europe. However due to some “peculiarities” re Greek officialdom concerning Transit Logs I had to enter Greece on my British passport this time to get a stamp. No questions at all re a second passport. Frankly the systems I suspect simply do not talk to each other and I doubt they will for quite a while. It is though a risk to do as you suggest as Baggywrinkle says as I am sure one day they will get the tech to work.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

True. But it doesn’t work this way in reality. I always use my Irish passport to travel in Europe. However due to some “peculiarities” re Greek officialdom concerning Transit Logs I had to enter Greece on my British passport this time to get a stamp. No questions at all re a second passport. Frankly the systems I suspect simply do not talk to each other and I doubt they will for quite a while. It is though a risk to do as you suggest as Baggywrinkle says as I am sure one day they will get the tech to work.

Why would they ask any questions if you have an Irish passport? You can't overstay Schengen on your U.K. passport if you have an E.U. passport too. Might just be a peculiarity of the Greeks where their transit log system, maybe it can't cope with a non-EU registered boat and a non-EU resident EU citizen.

The Croatians get their nickers in a twist with U.K. registered boats and VAT ... have fought that twice now, but all this has nothing to do with Schengen systems.

Apart from the fact that they keep getting delayed, this gives a reasonable overview of the IT systems behind the EUs passport scanners.

https://www.eulisa.europa.eu/Activities/Large-Scale-It-Systems

Bit of a moot point, because you have an EU passport, non of these systems will be interested in how long you have stayed - regardless of which passport you use.

 

[Hooligan]

Why would they ask any questions if you have an Irish passport? You can't overstay Schengen on your U.K. passport if you have an E.U. passport too. Might just be a peculiarity of the Greeks where their transit log system, maybe it can't cope with a non-EU registered boat and a non-EU resident EU citizen.

The Croatians get their nickers in a twist with U.K. registered boats and VAT ... have fought that twice now, but all this has nothing to do with Schengen systems.

Apart from the fact that they keep getting delayed, this gives a reasonable overview of the IT systems behind the EUs passport scanners.

https://www.eulisa.europa.eu/Activities/Large-Scale-It-Systems

Bit of a moot point, because you have an EU passport, non of these systems will be interested in how long you have stayed - regardless of which passport you use.

I am extremely cynical re the ability of immigration anywhere - perhaps the USA aside - to actually work anything out yesterday at Gatwick I went to the scanning machine. It asked me to seek assistance. I went out, changed the passport to the Irish one, went back in to same machine and happily sailed through.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

I am extremely cynical re the ability of immigration anywhere - perhaps the USA aside - to actually work anything out yesterday at Gatwick I went to the scanning machine. It asked me to seek assistance. I went out, changed the passport to the Irish one, went back in to same machine and happily sailed through.

That usually means someone has been flagged for something - if it repeatedly happens, then they haven't been apprehended yet .... If you are unlucky enough to have the same name and nationality as a person of interest then you will be politely told by the machines to seek assistance, that way a real person can give you the once-over to determine if you are the person of interest. The data they use for flagging people can be pretty basic, like a combination of name and nationality - or it could be a simple failure to read your passport.