Are boat builders tone deaf?

john_morris_uk said:
Some of the posters on here would HATE being in some places in the Caribbean. HUGE sound systems on some boats you can hear from miles away. Usually a reggae/pop loud bass sound. Not my taste but you learn to put up with it or move on. They usually quieten down by 0100.
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My idea of a nightmare…..
 
DangerousPirate said:
You constantly try to prove a point how you DON'T know or think about that band, and how little you care. I mean, you don't have to. Me mentioning acdc was a joke anyway, but man do you have a point to prove. Virtue signalling.

You sound like the type who gets annoyed when children laugh and play near them in the park where they sit to enjoy the peace and quiet of the green.

Cockpit speakers don't really say it's to llblast music stupidly loud. You know that thing called volume control?

Anyway. I leave you to it then. Getting unpleasant in here.

Glad OP solved his speaker problem though.
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No, I love the sound of kids playing. (Is that virtue signalling?) I think it is quite common for professional musicians not to like music played as background noise (classical ones,anyway). When at anchor I find a similar situation. Just put headphones on. And then you don't need to get humpy about people not liking your taste in music.
 
dgadee said:
No, I love the sound of kids playing. (Is that virtue signalling?) I think it is quite common for professional musicians not to like music played as background noise (classical ones,anyway). When at anchor I find a similar situation. Just put headphones on. And then you don't need to get humpy about people not liking your taste in music.
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Or don't blast it loud. I don't understand why you think it's either blasting or nothing at all.
 
dgadee said:
Sound travels over water.
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Yes, and so does the sound of people talking on deck. Got a problem with that, too? Don't think you do, but it would be seriously funny if you said now that you do. Guess what, if the VOLUME (for the tenth time) isn't that high, then it won't be much of a bother.

There is a huge difference between blasting music really loudly on your boat in an anchorage and just putting music in your cockpit on a normal level.

Headphones are nice n fine all you want, but they're not good if you're A) multiple people, B) you don't want to step on the cord all the time or move with your phone in your pocket, or C) you alternatively don't like to stop listening to music because your wireless headphones ran out of juice.

I think at this point you just argue to argue, and you don't even try to understand the (apparently too subtle) differences. You're not reading me, you just want to shake your finger at the boys with their "loud pop music" (which apparently is everything after 1750).

You will have to learn to share the world with other people who will enjoy their anchorages their own way, and not everyone likes to sit in a completely silent cockpit and stare at the waves, some people like to have a few beers, put on some music and have fun. And there is NOTHING wrong with that.

It's only wrong if it's extreme decibels, especially at late hours. And even though it's the only scenario you can imagine, it's not the only scenario with music.
 
Ha! The Dutch tend to stay up half the night in marinas talking in loud voices. National characteristic? We prefer to anchor off.

I sail for the sailing experience, not to listen to someone else's musical taste. Not my fun.
 
wonkywinch said:
I'm spending the day cleaning, polishing and servicing the boat. As there's nobody around me in the marina, I cranked up the cockpit speakers listing to 1970s/80s stuff on the radio.

As I was stood midships cleaning the stern, I noticed the cockpit speakers are out of phase. Being an ex audio engineer, this is inexcusable and sounds awful. I noticed it on a couple of charter boats so far but first time I noticed it on our boat.

Moulded plugs so need to rejig the Molex plug or cut/resolder at one of the speakers once I work out the polarity vs the saloon speakers so I don't put the inside/outside out of phase.

Add it to the list of manufacturer created faults on the boat.
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Blimey, this has created some interesting drift.

Back to the OP, you caught my attention with your 70/80s music. I can’t imagine not listening to music on my own boat. Part of the definition of pleasant cruising. Drinking coffee, eating cake, listening to music, reading a book and engaging with friends. Usually turned down or off when in Pilotage waters, though.

I’m impressed with your ability to differentiate phase of speakers, +ve -ve reversed. Don’t think that I’d be able to notice.

My most embarrassing experience on a school boat was coming into home port on a vessel called Bolero. It was a family course and the dad thought it appropriate to end the week, berth and tie up while being serenaded by Ravel. Ugh.
 
Skylark said:
I’m impressed with your ability to differentiate phase of speakers, +ve -ve reversed. Don’t think that I’d be able to notice.
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I spent a few years working in and installing recording studio consoles. It's easy to hear when you move your head left to right in front of a pair of stereo speakers.

Try listening to this, especially on headphone first where the effect is more dramatic.

And yes, my post was about the quality of music, not the quantity.

 
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On Gods own Waterway Ye Thames.
.......so there you are on the only warm summer evening in the year watching the Sun slip below the horizon and with the 3rd " chilled glass" of something close by and some moron has left the speakers fitted to the fly bridge of his Gin Palace going full blast. :mad:
 
oldgit said:
On Gods own Waterway Ye Thames.
.......so there you are on the only warm summer evening in the year watching the Sun slip below the horizon and with the 3rd " chilled glass" of something close by and some moron has left the speakers fitted to the fly bridge of his Gin Palace going full blast. :mad:
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And therein lies one of the many beauties of West Scotland. It might be raining and there might be midges but generally one has the anchorage to oneself to enjoy the sounds of nature. The Oystercatchers are a constant companion, the heron likewise. One has to choose one’s poison.
 
wonkywinch said:
I spent a few years working in and installing recording studio consoles. It's easy to hear when you move you head left to right in front of a pair of stereo speakers.

Try listening to this, especially on headphone first where the effect is more dramatic.

And yes, my post was about the quality of music, not the quantity.

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Really interesting, thanks for posting.

How do you describe out of phase, a kind of humming in the background?

Unless you can flip between in and out, how did you know? I think that I’d just conclude that I didn’t like the track.

You have me intrigued. How can we mere mortals test our systems without searching for speaker leads?
 
Skylark said:
Really interesting, thanks for posting.

How do you describe out of phase, a kind of humming in the background?

Unless you can flip between in and out, how did you know? I think that I’d just conclude that I didn’t like the track.

You have me intrigued. How can we mere mortals test our systems without searching for speaker leads?
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When speakers are in phase, you can hear the correct stereo image (close your eyes and you can almost see the placement of the individual instruments left to right). If the sound source is mono then the sound appears to come from dead centre between the speakers.

When they are wired out of phase, when you move your head left to right, the sound is just strange and confusing to your brain. There is no additional humming etc (unless there is another fault).

If you are able to easily switch your speaker polarity on your home system with banana plugs or those little latch connectors, then switch one over and play a couple of favourite bits of music, then switch back. The difference is very noticeable once you know what phase error sounds like.
 
Out of phase is important. I have a reasonable set of speakers but thought at first they weren't very good and I had wasted my money. Switched the wiring round and what a difference.
 
Going back to the lovely wiring I could not see any connection for the fusion remote control in the cockpit ? Maybe that’s not fitted though? It’s another part of fusion system which is essential surely?
 
wonkywinch said:
When speakers are in phase, you can hear the correct stereo image (close your eyes and you can almost see the placement of the individual instruments left to right). If the sound source is mono then the sound appears to come from dead centre between the speakers.

When they are wired out of phase, when you move your head left to right, the sound is just strange and confusing to your brain. There is no additional humming etc (unless there is another fault).

If you are able to easily switch your speaker polarity on your home system with banana plugs or those little latch connectors, then switch one over and play a couple of favourite bits of music, then switch back. The difference is very noticeable once you know what phase error sounds like.
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I thought that my untrained ears heard a bit of a hum…..ah well.

My boat has a Fusion and I do enjoy listening to my choice of music while underway.

At home, I use an old Yamaha amp into old Celestian speakers. I’m intrigued so maybe I’ll have a play with polarity 👍
 
DangerousPirate said:
Or don't blast it loud. I don't understand why you think it's either blasting or nothing at all.
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Why blast it at all? I have no problem with purposeful noise. If someone needs to use a drill, or even charge a battery, that is part of the sport, but for many of us any music demands attention, whether loud or soft, and however inane. Conversation or similar noise from other boats is possible to ignore if not excessive, but the trite thump of popular music is impossible to switch off from at any level and it takes a special kind of arrogance for people to assume that others share one’s own tastes.
 
johnalison said:
Why blast it at all? I have no problem with purposeful noise. If someone needs to use a drill, or even charge a battery, that is part of the sport, but for many of us any music demands attention, whether loud or soft, and however inane. Conversation or similar noise from other boats is possible to ignore if not excessive, but the trite thump of popular music is impossible to switch off from at any level and it takes a special kind of arrogance for people to assume that others share one’s own tastes.
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I never said blast it. Quite the opposite. And if I play my music on the boat on a normal volume, it will definitely not be any different to conversational noises, volume wise. I think you guys just have serious problems with sharing space.

You're okay with a loud drill or angle grinder or what not and say "yeah that's alright" but music ticks you off?

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This is a bit of Fry and Laurie, innit? Monty Python maybe?
 
A tool usually works for short periods at anchor or afloat. Music can go on for hours. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, ..

Sharing space usually means thinking of the other.
 
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