Are boat builders tone deaf?

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You still pretend like the only music existing is loud boom boom boom music. Pointless talking to a wall.
That's what most people play while on boats. As I said earlier I prefer music before 1750 (and then after 1890). My late wife used to hate the early stuff (e.g. Hesperion) and I wouldn't play it when she was around. I suspect most people would be annoyed if I was playing that in a quiet anchorage. So I don't.
 

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That's what most people play while on boats. As I said earlier I prefer music before 1750 (and then after 1890). My late wife used to hate the early stuff (e.g. Hesperion) and I wouldn't play it when she was around. I suspect most people would be annoyed if I was playing that in a quiet anchorage. So I don't.
It's stilll all about volume. Why is that so difficult to understand?
 

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I never said blast it. Quite the opposite. And if I play my music on the boat on a normal volume, it will definitely not be any different to conversational noises, volume wise. I think you guys just have serious problems with sharing space.

You're okay with a loud drill or angle grinder or what not and say "yeah that's alright" but music ticks you off?

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This is a bit of Fry and Laurie, innit? Monty Python maybe?
I didn’t say blast it; I said that music is intrusive at any volume, which is something that lovers of pop music signally fail to appreciate. If anyone has a problem with sharing space it is people like you who are incapable of living in silence.
 

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I didn’t say blast it; I said that music is intrusive at any volume, which is something that lovers of pop music signally fail to appreciate. If anyone has a problem with sharing space it is people like you who are incapable of living in silence.
I don't want to live in silence, music just improves everything for me. And you're just biased and wrong when you say one can't play music at a decent, non intrusive volume.

If I play my music on a normal volume, non blasting, and you hear it, then you're anchoring way too close anyway. There still is a huge difference between blasting music really loudly at 1 am in an anchorage, and playing music softly as ambient sound during the day.

I for one don't hear anyone's music until I get close enough to their boats. Maybe you have super hearing or something. But it's more likely you are just extrapolating your position because you're misanthropic and never learned to share space with others.

You don't live in this world alone, and if you want to pretend you do, then find anchorages where there are no other people and stop telling others how to enjoy themselves. People generally like music, if you're not like most people, then that's your problem.
 

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But I do like music. Just done 3 concerts over the past week and another one this evening. I play an instrument at a high amateur level.

I think you are now moving your goalposts. If you are playing music at a low level then good. Keep it up.
 

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I don't want to live in silence, music just improves everything for me. And you're just biased and wrong when you say one can't play music at a decent, non intrusive volume.

If I play my music on a normal volume, non blasting, and you hear it, then you're anchoring way too close anyway. There still is a huge difference between blasting music really loudly at 1 am in an anchorage, and playing music softly as ambient sound during the day.

I for one don't hear anyone's music until I get close enough to their boats. Maybe you have super hearing or something. But it's more likely you are just extrapolating your position because you're misanthropic and never learned to share space with others.

You don't live in this world alone, and if you want to pretend you do, then find anchorages where there are no other people and stop telling others how to enjoy themselves. People generally like music, if you're not like most people, then that's your problem.
Utter twaddle. I simply don’t want to hear your music. Why is this so difficult to understand?
 

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But I do like music. Just done 3 concerts over the past week and another one this evening. I play an instrument at a high amateur level.

I think you are now moving your goalposts. If you are playing music at a low level then good. Keep it up.
I am not moving the goalpost, I keep reminding you people that it's not always loud "boom boom boom music". Yet you keep falling back to that and pretend like that's all there is to talk about. No, it's not. If someone blasts music really loudly, like those party charter boats, I agree - it's annoying. That is just too much. But that is not the only volume of music that people play.
Utter twaddle. I simply don’t want to hear your music. Why is this so difficult to understand?
I do understand that you don't want to hear it. I have never not understood it. You don't understand that you won't hear music unless it's really loud or you're very close. But you make a whole game out of this. If you don't want to listen to my music, don't anchor so close. Simple as. You wouldn't hear me playing music in my cockpit on a normal decibel otherwise.

The only one not understanding seems to be YOU. You're very stubborn and you just try to make a point here. Your point being: I hate music. We get it, you're miserable, and you just can't share public space with other people (or, well, only if you can pretend no one else is there).

I was done with this ages ago, but I will happily keep refuting your ridiculous points all day long. Until you just stop replying or just admit that it's possible for two boats to be in the same anchorage and one listening to music, that isn't on full volume, without the other boat even hearing it.


Just looking at how impossible you are to talk to, I think I'll be entertained for the next few months. What is the maximum length for a thread btw? I think we'll find out soon enough!
 

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I think he is now saying that if you are anchored close enough to hit him (boats I mean) then you might hear his music.
What do you mean "now"? I said this the whole time; UNLESS you are really close to my boat, you wouldn't even hear my music. So stop pretending like every boat playing music in the cockpit is a charted party boat on a booze cruise. Stop telling people they aren't allowed to play any kind of music on their own boat.

And I picked it up because he said "music is intrusive at any volume", which is just not true.
 

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Why anybody needs speakers on a boat is beyond my understanding.

While lazily heading down the western Solent the other day this boat passed and sounded like a 'party boat', with very, very heavy bass, and it was only 1500 hrs!
How do you use the VHF without a speaker?
 

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What do you mean "now"? I said this the whole time; UNLESS you are really close to my boat, you wouldn't even hear my music. So stop pretending like every boat playing music in the cockpit is a charted party boat on a booze cruise. Stop telling people they aren't allowed to play any kind of music on their own boat.

And I picked it up because he said "music is intrusive at any volume", which is just not true.
I quote you: "It's only wrong if it's extreme decibels, especially at late hours."
 

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What do you mean "now"? I said this the whole time; UNLESS you are really close to my boat, you wouldn't even hear my music. So stop pretending like every boat playing music in the cockpit is a charted party boat on a booze cruise. Stop telling people they aren't allowed to play any kind of music on their own boat.

And I picked it up because he said "music is intrusive at any volume", which is just not true.
Again more of your rubbish. Your brain has been addled by the music oligarchs into thinking that living with their trash is normal and that a quiet anchorage with nothing but the sound of the wind and birdsong is somehow defective. The question of anchoring distance is irrelevant as the problem can equally occur in allotted berths in marinas and harbours, and in case I do not have a history of anchoring too close, being more often the victim in this respect.

It is precisely because music is important to me and many others that the compulsion to be forced to hear what I don’t need to hear is not dissimilar to someone coming into my house and smoking. It has become part of the present-day sense of entitlement that so many are prepared to take their pleasures at others’ cost and disturbance.
 

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Again more of your rubbish. Your brain has been addled by the music oligarchs into thinking that living with their trash is normal and that a quiet anchorage with nothing but the sound of the wind and birdsong is somehow defective. The question of anchoring distance is irrelevant as the problem can equally occur in allotted berths in marinas and harbours, and in case I do not have a history of anchoring too close, being more often the victim in this respect.

It is precisely because music is important to me and many others that the compulsion to be forced to hear what I don’t need to hear is not dissimilar to someone coming into my house and smoking. It has become part of the present-day sense of entitlement that so many are prepared to take their pleasures at others’ cost and disturbance.
You know THIS is the load of rubbish. I don't go around telling you how to enjooy yourself, and you don't get to tell me how I should enjoy myself. Who gives you the right to say that the way I enjoy things is wrong? Who the hell do you think you are?

"music oligarchs" and their plot to make me listen to their music eh L M A O!
I quote you: "It's only wrong if it's extreme decibels, especially at late hours."
What are you trying to prove? It is. If someone plays music quietly in their cockpit, not for the whple anchprage, then nothings wrong with that
 

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I am proving that you are now saying something different from what you said earlier. You said only extreme decibels was wrong. Now you are saying playing music quietly.
 

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I am proving that you are now saying something different from what you said earlier. You said only extreme decibels was wrong. Now you are saying playing music quietly.
It's nothing different, it's the same argument, just presented in a different way.

Extreme decibels = Loud boom boom boom music and quiet music, well, "not loudly".

Nothing has changed.

Are you trying to win the argument now by getting into semantics? Why don't you just stay on topic. Why should quiet music in the cockpit not be tolerated by anyone? WHy is it bad? Let's focus on that instead.

We could also talk about your other constant point of how you think ANY sort of music is the same as loud pop music, like played on the infamous charter boat booze cruises. Tell me how that is the same as me playing music in my cockpit.
 

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I sat next to the speaker in the Gaff Rigger last night whilst the Shanty Buoys performed. Ears still ringing with "Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum!"
 

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When speakers are in phase, you can hear the correct stereo image (close your eyes and you can almost see the placement of the individual instruments left to right). If the sound source is mono then the sound appears to come from dead centre between the speakers.

When they are wired out of phase, when you move your head left to right, the sound is just strange and confusing to your brain. There is no additional humming etc (unless there is another fault).

If you are able to easily switch your speaker polarity on your home system with banana plugs or those little latch connectors, then switch one over and play a couple of favourite bits of music, then switch back. The difference is very noticeable once you know what phase error sounds like.
100% correct and well explained. Plus the lack of bass.
 
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