Are Bavaria owners wusses when their keels fall off?

[webcraft]

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The Cruising Club of America (CCA) has selected Jean-Pierre Dick (Nice, France) to receive the Rod Stephens Trophy for Outstanding Seamanship for his completion of the Vendée Globe 2012-2013 after sailing without a keel for the last 2,650 miles of the solo non-stop around-the-world race.

The trophy is given “for an act of seamanship that significantly contributes to the safety of a yacht or one or more individuals at sea.”


- W

 

[Sandy]

Well deserved. Well done that man. I am quite sure I could not sail those tippy Open 60 boats even with a keel.

 

[Grumpybear]

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The Cruising Club of America (CCA) has selected Jean-Pierre Dick (Nice, France) to receive the Rod Stephens Trophy for Outstanding Seamanship for his completion of the Vendée Globe 2012-2013 after sailing without a keel for the last 2,650 miles of the solo non-stop around-the-world race.

The trophy is given “for an act of seamanship that significantly contributes to the safety of a yacht or one or more individuals at sea.”


- W

In answer to your post title:

Yup. Jeanneau drivers, on the other hand, just carry on.

 

[jordanbasset]

In answer to your post title:

Yup. Jeanneau drivers, on the other hand, just carry on.

To be fair they have had more practice

 

[trapezeartist]

Are Internet Trolls wusses for continually banging on about Bavaria keels?

 

[GrahamM376]

Are Internet Trolls wusses for continually banging on about Bavaria keels?

There's a Bav36 25 meters from me about to have its very wobbly keel removed. Boats quite often hit the mud & sand banks around here but only Bavs seem to get damaged.

 

[mrming]

Emm. There are several threads running here about Westerly keels falling off. It's not just Bavarias.

 

[Iain C]

Well deserved. Well done that man. I am quite sure I could not sail those tippy Open 60 boats even with a keel.

They probably have more form stability than any other mono yacht afloat. Plus water ballast. And a lightweight rig. Not taking anything at all away from JPD but if you're going to go a long way in a boat with no keel, an imoca60 is the weapon of choice.

Assuming it doesn't fall over the moment the keel goes bang...

 

[Tidewaiter2]

They probably have more form stability than any other mono yacht afloat. Plus water ballast. And a lightweight rig. Not taking anything at all away from JPD but if you're going to go a long way in a boat with no keel, an imoca60 is the weapon of choice.

Assuming it doesn't fall over the moment the keel goes bang...

Remember that Charter Yacht ?? a Bav, that sailed back from Scilly a year or so ago, having parked its keel twixt some rocks out there, charterers kept stumm about the posn., went out on a charter to Helston ( as IMHRC?) the following week and only on the way back developed some tell tale signs that all was not well down below:excitement:.
So Bav's may shed keels but if the sails aren't put up........

 

[matt1]

Remember that Charter Yacht ?? a Bav, that sailed back from Scilly a year or so ago, having parked its keel twixt some rocks out there, charterers kept stumm about the posn., went out on a charter to Helston ( as IMHRC?) the following week and only on the way back developed some tell tale signs that all was not well down below:excitement:.
So Bav's may shed keels but if the sails aren't put up........

Actually I'm fairly certain that was a Jeanneau 36 wasn't it?

 

[wully1]

I'm pretty certain that new Bavs' Bennies and Janneaus are all build down to the same spec and all will be equally fragile.

Or not.

 

[GrahamM376]

Emm. There are several threads running here about Westerly keels falling off. It's not just Bavarias.

Slight difference, one's up to 40 years old and, if it has problems, has most likely been bumping around on a drying mud berth for years, the other is a modern mass produced design which, although RCD Ocean category, can't be UK coded for such use without mods.

 

[BlackPig]

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The Cruising Club of America (CCA) has selected Jean-Pierre Dick (Nice, France) to receive the Rod Stephens Trophy for Outstanding Seamanship for his completion of the Vendée Globe 2012-2013 after sailing without a keel for the last 2,650 miles of the solo non-stop around-the-world race.

The trophy is given “for an act of seamanship that significantly contributes to the safety of a yacht or one or more individuals at sea.”




- W

The best "seamanship" and the "safest" thing to do would have been to make your way to the nearest/easiest port of refuge.

 

[mrming]

Slight difference, one's up to 40 years old and, if it has problems, has most likely been bumping around on a drying mud berth for years, the other is a modern mass produced design which, although RCD Ocean category, can't be UK coded for such use without mods.

A bilge keeler that was built for drying out had a design fault which, amazingly, was carried on to it's successor, did you mean?

Which exact design are you talking about? This one?

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5264

 

[Tidewaiter2]

Actually I'm fairly certain that was a Jeanneau 36 wasn't it?

There was a quite a big Thread on here, but damned if I can find it quickly, you're probably right.

 

[jordanbasset]

Remember that Charter Yacht ?? a Bav, that sailed back from Scilly a year or so ago, having parked its keel twixt some rocks out there, charterers kept stumm about the posn., went out on a charter to Helston ( as IMHRC?) the following week and only on the way back developed some tell tale signs that all was not well down below:excitement:.
So Bav's may shed keels but if the sails aren't put up........

Actually I'm fairly certain that was a Jeanneau 36 wasn't it?

Yes it was a Jeaneau 37, thread here which makes a reference to it but main issue of the thread concerns a keel falling off a maxi
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?275079-11-metre-yacht-capsizes-in-the-Solent-this-morning
Story of the Jeanneau here
http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/190-charter-boat-loses-keel-and-no-one-noticed

 

[Simondjuk]

the other is a modern mass produced design which, although RCD Ocean category, can't be UK coded for such use without mods.

What mods does this production boat require that others don't?

 

[john m]

Hi web craft what boat do you jave

 

[GrahamM376]

What mods does this production boat require that others don't?

From memory, the main comment concerned sail area/displacement ratio and having to shorten the boom and reduce sail area to get compliance with coding regs for ocean. This doesn't just apply to this particular make/model, it was a discussion about the RCD classifications having a much lower standard than required under various countries criteria for commercial use, leaving many RCD so-called ocean boats being restricted to 60 miles offshore.

 

[photodog]

In answer to the op's question ...... Clearly not.

If we were wusses we would not be going around sailing in a death trap.

In fact, if you want to find some real big balled sailors... Odds are they are driving a bavaria...

They are out every day, dicing with death, their detachable keels like a gun to their heads! But does it stop them? HELL NO! Our wives have bigger balls than you non bavaria drivers, and so do our kids! They are right there next to us! staring death in the Face!

C'mon then??? Who wants some???!!! YOU haven't got the balls to drive a bavaria! All you full keel pussies!