Anyone want a FREEBIES holiday / delivery trip ?

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Afternoon Forum,

We need to get a couple of new Jeanneaus (Sun Odyssey 389 & SO419) down from the S.France to Corfu around the 20th February.

So I'm looking for anyone who might be interested in the trip - its a win win, we get the boats where we need them and you get a free sailing trip.

Ideally I'm looking for a skipper for each boat with one or two mates each. Ideally people who know each other already.

We'll cover the cost of the flights from UK/Europe to South France and the return from Corfu. Will also pick up the tab for the fuel and the insurance so you'll just need to provide your own clothing and grub/beer.

Its a genuine offer and I'd be keen to hear from anyone interested - only requirement is that you deliver the boats as found and are able to evidence good sailing experience before we set you loose on a brand new boat ;)

Please reply on here or PM me if you're keen.
 
horatio_nelson said:
Bugger. Any week but that one and I'd have seriously considered it.
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I can be a bit flexible about departure times - ideally they need to be on the way by the end of Feb latest and could possibly leave a bit earlier if needed. Prefer if the boats go in convoy for safety and support but not to worried if we cant.
 
Bit outrageous not even paying the skippers but if good people are willing then why would you.

Probably not free but enjoyed delivering a 34 foot new boat from S of France to Vounaki a few years back and have got to know Corfu rather well since.

How will the liability work for the skipper if they are in charge on a commercial trip (even if not paid)
 
These are new yachts and this is a winter yacht delivery of approximately 900 NM. Surely this is a job for professional skippers?

The standard delivery fee on a trip like this is a drop in the ocean compared to the purchase price of a new 40ft yacht. It seems extremely risky to me to be offering it out as a free holiday.

Pete
 
Halcyon Yachts said:
These are new yachts and this is a winter yacht delivery of approximately 900 NM. Surely this is a job for professional skippers?

The standard delivery fee on a trip like this is a drop in the ocean compared to the purchase price of a new 40ft yacht. It seems extremely risky to me to be offering it out as a free holiday.

Pete
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Couldn't agree more!
 
Possibly a piss take as far as a professional delivery skipper is concerned. You are asking them to work for nothing. point taken and if I was a professional delivery skipper I would agree. However I am not a Professional Delivery Skipper.

A chance to take a holiday in the Med for an amateur sailor. Sort of a one way Charter. Does sound interesting. How flexible are your dates. particularly what's the deadline to get there.
Taking Halcyons distance estimate of 900m its a fair old ways. 100 miles a day. Pushing that hard is kind of like work. It would be my wife and I. So we would probably want to stop and smell some roses, sample a bit of French Cuisine & Wine along with some pasta and Pizza. We could do an overnighter or two but would prefer to stop a few times if it is to be a holiday.

I won't be available until the 28th. will be available for 2 weeks. I could possibly be available longer. Might be interested. I would be coming from Canada though. might be able to work out something mutually acceptable.

You providing all charts & pubs?
Boats sailing in company or separately?
Do the boats have Auto Pilots?
Coded?
Dinghies?
 
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jonbclarke said:
Afternoon Forum,

We need to get a couple of new Jeanneaus (Sun Odyssey 389 & SO419) down from the S.France to Corfu around the 20th February.

So I'm looking for anyone who might be interested in the trip - its a win win, we get the boats where we need them and you get a free sailing trip.

Ideally I'm looking for a skipper for each boat with one or two mates each. Ideally people who know each other already.

We'll cover the cost of the flights from UK/Europe to South France and the return from Corfu. Will also pick up the tab for the fuel and the insurance so you'll just need to provide your own clothing and grub/beer.

Its a genuine offer and I'd be keen to hear from anyone interested - only requirement is that you deliver the boats as found and are able to evidence good sailing experience before we set you loose on a brand new boat ;)

Please reply on here or PM me if you're keen.
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Note of caution, when you say you will pay insurence, do you mean the crew's liability insurance or just the boat insurance? This is a commercial voyage, are the boats UK or French flagged? Coded? As others have said it is a real cheek to ask people to do this not only for free and to pay you to do it (food etc) and risk a several million pound claim against them if something goes wrong.
 
Mister Rhino said:
Note of caution, when you say you will pay insurence, do you mean the crew's liability insurance or just the boat insurance? This is a commercial voyage, are the boats UK or French flagged? Coded?
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In what way is it necessarily a commercial trip? No coding necessary for deliveries, by the way.
 
I do not think it is a commercial trip from what has been said. No-one is being paid. The skipper will usually be covered by the boat insurance so any bump should be covered without recourse, except maybe the excess. It all sounds to me a great opportunity for somebody.
If I had two new boats to deliver I would not trust any muppet to deliver them but if Jon is OK with it then that is up to him and I am sure he will check out any applicants.
As a delivery trip, it is a bit too full on for me now but a great idea for some keen young peeps. Does this forum need to be so against the idea?
 
JumbleDuck said:
In what way is it necessarily a commercial trip? No coding necessary for deliveries, by the way.
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There was an extensive debate on that around the Cheeki Rafiki court case, which of course involved a 'delivery' that went wrong. Subtle differences have a big impact and that one was deemed a commercial voyage. Coding wouldn't be needed for a paid delivery skipper who wasn't an employee was I think one conclusion that appeared quite clear. Of course it would be needed for a charter. And for all the subtle shades of grey inbetween it would be up to a jury to decide.

So is this a FREE delivery or a FREE charter. FREE holiday implies the latter.
 
EdWingfield said:
This is not commercial, as money does not change hands.
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There must be a contractual relationship - as a loan of the boat, as a charter, as a delivery. The free skipper is not being given the boat as a gift and is not being asked to steal it but is being asked to deliver somebody else's property so if they take the boat and run it into the rocks killing another volunteer crew member then it is not the same as if the skipper owned the boat and had insured it.

I am guessing this will be a free charter but if so the boat must be coded and covered for the various countries and offshore passages. If it is a delivery with obligations to hand over the boat then even if no money changes hands that's a commercial contract and the skipper's liability has to be covered by somebody or it defaults to the skipper.
 
Halcyon Yachts said:
These are new yachts and this is a winter yacht delivery of approximately 900 NM. Surely this is a job for professional skippers?

The standard delivery fee on a trip like this is a drop in the ocean compared to the purchase price of a new 40ft yacht. It seems extremely risky to me to be offering it out as a free holiday.

Pete
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I'd be more concerned about litigation if the delivery goes belly up.
Damage/vessel lost/crew injured or dead, who carries the financial can?
 
Would covering "the cost of the flights from UK/Europe to South France and the return from Corfu." not constitute payment in kind?
 
lpdsn said:
There was an extensive debate on that around the Cheeki Rafiki court case, which of course involved a 'delivery' that went wrong. Subtle differences have a big impact and that one was deemed a commercial voyage.
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Of course, which is why I wrote "necessarily". It might be commercial, but I don;t see any reason to assume that that is the case. If, for example, two friends have acquired similar boats for their own use and simply want them moved, commercial wouldn't come into it.

RupertW said:
I am guessing this will be a free charter but if so the boat must be coded and covered for the various countries and offshore passages.
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In what way does a free charter differ from lending someone a boat, for which no coding is required?
 
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