Another RNLI Boat Out of Use

[webcraft]

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Peterhead is an utter shithole.

Not sure if this has any bearing on the subject in question . . .

- W

 

[Kurrawong_Kid]

Sod this site, I have just spent time writing a post and it vanished!

I often have this frustrating problem too. Sod+2

 

[dogleg]

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Peterhead is an utter shithole.

Not sure if this has any bearing on the subject in question . . .

- W

there have been long running problems at this station for some time , personalities, egos etc one crew from our flank station went there with a passage lifeboat, was not impressed by anything and would not go there again, saw a confidential report some years ago on it, but cant divulge contents suffice to say that the boat was not looked after properly have never known a professional mediator to be used anywhere before so looks as if they made strenuous efforts to resolve issues

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Having been there and done that...

The RNLI is full of naracists and media whores. The management is so far detached from the actual crews who turn out anytime and every time it is unbelievable.

There is so much money involved they have lost the way in what the organsiation was set up for and used to stand for.

Go back to locals rescuing those in need, the local 'grannies' raising money for THEIR boat, the family tradition..

Rant over.

PW

And pulling boats (rowing boats) with cork lifejackets.

 

[PilotWolf]

And pulling boats (rowing boats) with cork lifejackets.

Arguably braver? Or just relevant to the times?

My point is (like I'm sure with other big charities). Sometimes if it's not broken...

Unless things have changed any donations go into the central pot if not specified that is not to happen. I'm sure a lot of supporters who think they're giving money to THEIR boat don't realize this isn't the case and may not even end up being used for front line purposes.

W.

 

[nortada]

Sod this site, I have just spent time writing a post and it vanished!

I often have this frustrating problem too. Sod+2

Likewise, but it only happens on the iPad/phone - the laptop is fine

 

[Daydream believer]

But, on reflection, the motor sports I was involved in as an official and promoter have been the better for tough H&S regulation.

Exactly. There is nothing wrong with the current H & S regulations. It is the way some idiots interprete them that is the problem.
lots of lives & injuries have been saved because of their introduction and that old chestnut about "we just used common sense" in regard to use of things like machinery etc has been proven many times to have been a fallacy.
It is surprising just how stupid people can be and how important these rules are. To protect them from themselves
Problem now is, of course, that people tend to hide behind them
the RNLI have a major problem in that its staff/volunteers are spread over a wide area and are, to an extent, self governing. Hence, i suspect, any interference from management is seen as that - interference
suggestions that the management have no idea of what goes on at the "shop floo" are also just as much sour grapes as well. I am sure that management are no different from any other large organisation. Some good, some not so good

 

[Tomahawk]

I wonder how much of the management who write out risk assessment about cleaning bird mess of the cabin roof have put to sea on a shout in the teeth of a storm?

 

[Blue Sunray]

I wonder how much of the management who write out risk assessment about cleaning bird mess of the cabin roof have put to sea on a shout in the teeth of a storm?

And that is in what way relevant?

 

[penberth3]

And that is in what way relevant?

Good question. It isn't.

 

[chanelyacht]

And pulling boats (rowing boats) with cork lifejackets.

No, just modern boats and no top-heavy management and careers. 80+ independent stations do it.

I don’t know what’s gone on at Peterhead, but I do know the lies, bullying and downright nastiness Poole are putting the New Quay team through at the moment, very little different to what St Abbs went through.

Poole HQ couldn’t, sadly, give a sh1t about people on the coast. The covered up theft of the Penlee gold medal is an example.

 

[PilotWolf]

Good question. It isn't.

But it is. People writing rules and procedures should have practical experience of the situations that require, or don't need the rules or procedures they're writing.

PW

 

[Blue Sunray]

But it is. People writing rules and procedures should have practical experience of the situations that require, or don't need the rules or procedures they're writing.

PW

Well if you think it's a good idea to clean bird mess of the cabin roof whilst on a shout in the teeth of a storm, but surely even you are not really that daft.

 

[chrishscorp]

Exactly. There is nothing wrong with the current H & S regulations. It is the way some idiots interprete them that is the problem.

+1 I have heard some H & S officers having so little to do they have started making up their own rules rather than be seen sitting at a desk twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do.

 

[Old Harry]

+1 I have heard some H & S officers having so little to do they have started making up their own rules rather than be seen sitting at a desk twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do.

So in reality they have a job that isnt needed, then "Empire build" to justify their existence

 

[Fr J Hackett]

H&S and the legislation that goes with it has been responsible for saving countless lives and transforming industries. The fact that we live in a litigious society has caused some to be over prescriptive should not in anyway detract from the necessity for H&S legislation and its enforcement.

 

[Bru]

H&S and the legislation that goes with it has been responsible for saving countless lives and transforming industries. The fact that we live in a litigious society has caused some to be over prescriptive should not in anyway detract from the necessity for H&S legislation and its enforcement.

Absolutely +1000 and then some

Some people seem to forget, or choose to ignore, the harsh fact that prior to Health and Safety legilsation, people were routinely maimed and killed at work on a daily basis

Furthermore, is there any actual evidence that this specific problem in any way relates to health and safety? As far as I can see, it appears to be an ongoing and long running disagreement between factions in the crew at the station

This sort of thing can be the bane of a largely volunteer organisation (as can local volunteer groups within a national organisation being obdurate about abiding by national policy but we don't actually know if such is at the root of this problem)

Back in the day, I was once told, in all seriousness, "you can't sack a volunteer" when such a situation arose. I begged to differ and still do!

 

[dogleg]

"Furthermore, is there any actual evidence that this specific problem in any way relates to health and safety? As far as I can see, it appears to be an ongoing and long running disagreement between factions in the crew at the station"

you are very much closer to the truth than some on here H& S has very little if anything to do with it, wish I could say more but it break confidences and possibly identify people with whom I have communicated

 

[PilotWolf]

Well if you think it's a good idea to clean bird mess of the cabin roof whilst on a shout in the teeth of a storm, but surely even you are not really that daft.

Why would anyone?!

PW

 

[Tomahawk]

And that is in what way relevant?

Read the accounts of the Sables lifeboat disaster.
Look at the photos. Ask yourself....
The crews of lifeboats go to sea when all others are safely ashore or have run for cover. It takes a special type of person to do that. The mentality to take to sea in the face of certain danger and possible death does not get worried about standing on a cabin roof without a safety harness and anti drop line suspended from above just inncase you slip or fall over.