Elessar
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Yep but John is going for pure white. This is Ivory. I really don't think pure white is the thing for me, but am considering ivory - I had completely dismissed it before.
Another fake teak deck thread - which is best?
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Yep but John is going for pure white. This is Ivory. I really don't think pure white is the thing for me, but am considering ivory - I had completely dismissed it before.
MapisM
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I don't disagree with the general principle, but you can't say that for the above Regal.
Just look at the various panels in detail: in some places, it would have been plain impossible to fit borders.
And even where borders could fit, they would only have made the overall result "overdesigned".
henryf
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1 also agree the Regal souls have looked silly with edging. On a larger area it works well.
Having read through the thread one thing I don't think has been covered is cleaning on the flybridge. If you use real teak it will get the most weathering of all your teak, similar to the bathing platform. The problem comes when you go to use a 2 part cleaner, all that gunk has to make it's way down from the flybridge without harming sides, covers, cushions and lower teak areas. With non wood teak you don't have this problem.
I only mention it as there will be people reading the thread thinking, as I did initially, why not just chuck a few more pounds, euros, dollars or shiny beans in the pot and do the job "properly".
Henry
Having read through the thread one thing I don't think has been covered is cleaning on the flybridge. If you use real teak it will get the most weathering of all your teak, similar to the bathing platform. The problem comes when you go to use a 2 part cleaner, all that gunk has to make it's way down from the flybridge without harming sides, covers, cushions and lower teak areas. With non wood teak you don't have this problem.
I only mention it as there will be people reading the thread thinking, as I did initially, why not just chuck a few more pounds, euros, dollars or shiny beans in the pot and do the job "properly".
Henry
Whitelighter
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Yes, we'll I also dk t like the principle if covering ever last area no matter how small in teak - but I didn't want to criticise the blokes boat any further.
It's just my opinion after all.
Jeanneau et al. Started the boarder less teak (or ply as it actually was) because it was cheap, and it looks it
It's just my opinion after all.
Jeanneau et al. Started the boarder less teak (or ply as it actually was) because it was cheap, and it looks it
petem
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Borderless looks fine for the small areas. On the Regal it looks perfectly acceptable on the larger areas too but might look slightly better IMHO with borders.
Regarding the bows, I quite like the strip of teak down the centre, a bit Windy'ish.
Pete
Regarding the bows, I quite like the strip of teak down the centre, a bit Windy'ish.
Pete
Elessar
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yep I agree.
Elessar
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you can buy ready made sheets of fake teak for a quick, borderless solution too.
Very few production boats have anything but ply, with a solid teak border.
jfm
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+1, you need borders (aka margins) imho for it to look right
jfm
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The white/ivory does take quite a while to grow on you Mark. Worth cogitating on, for as long as you can then see how you feel about it. I've been pondering for best part of a year on Match2, before finally (very recently) commiting to white. Seeing in the flesh several recent launches with white caulk convinced me
Just imho, cream looks fine if suits the rest of the boat but on E4 you'd have white grp next to cream caulk which, totally imho, wouldn't look as good as white/white
PCUK
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Well, I said that I have no experience, and I'm afraid I still don't.
I'd never dare rating as "first hand experience" just the viewing of a pic, but I'm still willing to bet that I'd spot the difference, if I could touch and smell both materials.
Probably also in the dark...
Blimey Maps, we haven't had the teak police on board, only normal visitors and none of them seemed keen to start sniffing (or feeling up) the various parts of the boat. What did you think of the pic just from looking at it?
By the way shouldn't your name be ChartisM?
jfm
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Freeloader your Regal looks fantastic in those pics. Caulking looks great in white/ivory, definitely the right choice imho on a contemporary looking boat. And yes I agree/concede, good call not to use borders/margin planks in your particular case; I see your point that it would have looked very fussy due to the large number of panels
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MapisM
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Well, I simply read your statement "no-one has been able tell the difference yet" as if you think that nobody ever will...Blimey Maps, we haven't had the teak police on board, only normal visitors and none of them seemed keen to start sniffing (or feeling up) the various parts of the boat. What did you think of the pic just from looking at it?
By the way shouldn't your name be ChartisM?
Happy to agree that at a first glance it's hard to tell who's who, anyway. At least, judging by the pic alone.
Chartis, wazzat?
jfm
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Elessar, AFAIK that isn't the case nowadays. All the major production builders (UK big4, jeanneau, ferretti and all the usual) use 6mm or 8mm (occasionally) thick solid teak for the last several years at least. All the Fairlines I've had since 1999 have had solid teak
PCUK
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Chartis, wazzat?[/QUOTE]
BIt more nautical than a map.
BIt more nautical than a map.
Elessar
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fair enough - we've replaced a few ply "teak" decks on princesses and fairlines, but not newer than 99.......
I think they do come in sheets rather than planks though.
Elessar
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I will get some more samples.
Couple of points:
Sealines are a slighly yelowy white. If the caulk is "whiter" than the GRP that would look terrible. I could live with yellower caulk, but not whiter caulk.
I templated the decks today. Where the horizontal meets the vertical is a curve of quite a big radius.
I would love to have the full teak look, with no horizonal GRP. Pragmatically, as this is going to take a lot of work to acheive trimming the "teak" to avoid it going uphill, I am going to put the "teak" only on the bits where the non skid is. This will give a white GRP border. This is how they did the factory teak on the 410s anyway - they went edge to edge on the F43s
I remain confused.
jfm
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The deck makers like wattsons make the sheets, but (on the UK big4 at least, not on many IT boats where they sadly cut this corner) they bend the deck planks custom for each model of boat so the planks run parallel to the gunwhales and dovetail into the kingplank. Then they apply a thin layer of grp tissue to the bottom side to hold the sheets together. In other words, we're not talking here about like 8x4 sheets of straight planked teak
jfm
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Yep, definitely agree all that
That's gotta make sense, leaving the border and avoiding going uphill. You kinda don't have a choice. On a boat originally designed for teak decks they avoid these radii in the design of the mouldings, but if you dont have that then yep you gotta leave white borders. TBH it will look fab anyway. It's only geeky tuned-in eyes like yours and this forum that will even notice
Whitelighter
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I dont understand about the whole 'uphill' thing?
Maybe im being thick, cos its late, but surely teak is only for the horizontal/flat bits. I dont get what you mean by uphill. Can you explain for this simpletons benefit
Maybe im being thick, cos its late, but surely teak is only for the horizontal/flat bits. I dont get what you mean by uphill. Can you explain for this simpletons benefit
Elessar
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I dont understand about the whole 'uphill' thing?
Maybe im being thick, cos its late, but surely teak is only for the horizontal/flat bits. I dont get what you mean by uphill. Can you explain for this simpletons benefit
In the top one, the little gap gets sika (or whatever JFM says) in.
Mine is like the bottom one, it either has to be trimmed to fit against the vertical (v time consuming), have a little dirt trap, or deliberately leave a decent white gap.
The very back edge of what is laughingly called a bathing platform has a lip on it too.
All overcomeable, but not worth it when time is limited.