Beneteau381
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You forget, they dont aim very well, the one weilding the AK47 who let loose at me didnt do too well!
An Attempt to board a Yacht off Portugal
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25931
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People armed with automatics tend not to aim - they spray and hope unless they have been well trained. In the days when there was National Service we were taught to make every shot count and those who demonstrated that they had learned the lesson were paid an extra sixpence a day as a "marksman". As such at a range of more than 20yds one round from a 303 was far more dangerous than a whole magazine fired by one of our "cousins" from his automatic. It is obvious that several of the posts were from people in whose hand anything other than a water pistol would be a menace to the user and everyone else, the sort who talk about "pulling " the trigger.
Perrycas
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GHA speaks very sensibly. I like the idea of steel security cages.
First time out I could hit bullseyes with a .303 at 100m when I was 15.
From a moving boat?
I'm lucky if I don't piss on my feet.
Maybe no one recalls the people killed in the past who decided to brandish weaponry in the face of armed pirate people. They weren't the pirates who got killed. While I love the fun ideas here, if you want to foul their prop why are you going to hang on to the tigers tail?
I applaud the guy protecting stuff with the boat hook. And for surviving. He was lucky.
Perrycas
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pry that gas canister from my cold dead hands
RichardS
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I had thought that this thread was deader than the pirates. 
Richard
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viago
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not with an ak in my hand i wouldn't. the rib would be a pepper pot.
we should be allowed to keep a couple on our boats just in case.
they could come in handy when the boat in the next berth is having a noisy party and hasn't invited you.
Graham_Wright
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Grenade?
Major_Clanger
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It's easy to imagine oneself fighting them off bravely but that normally happens before and after then event, not during. I was mugged at knifepoint on a tube platform (broad daylight and fellow passengers everywhere) a few years ago and most of my pals asked why I didn't just push my attacker on to the rails (I wondered the same thing myself)? The reality was I shit myself and handed over my wallet. My fellow brave travellers then parted the waves and allowed the bloke to escape.
Never carry a firearm on board. If one waves it at the attackers then they'll certainly start waving theirs back in response (and they're likely to be a bigger calibre with lots of ammo). It also negates the chance of shooting someone who's come out to trade fish/cigarettes. Instead carry flares and a spear gun. Either could save your life whether attacked or having to take to a liferaft.
Never carry a firearm on board. If one waves it at the attackers then they'll certainly start waving theirs back in response (and they're likely to be a bigger calibre with lots of ammo). It also negates the chance of shooting someone who's come out to trade fish/cigarettes. Instead carry flares and a spear gun. Either could save your life whether attacked or having to take to a liferaft.
Beneteau381
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Outboard engine fuel can?
Stemar
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And a lot more practice in shooting at people.
Beneteau381
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From my first hand experience, practice at pulling a trigger and riding the rising barrel! Actually aiming? hmm dont think so.
FlyingGoose
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12 bore shotgun, pepper hit them all , or a Molotov cocktail is my personal solution.
But in all honesty , we all do not know how we would react, or if having a weapon , actually shoot.
We can all give examples, tell tall stories ,and come up with sensible though processes, but once your out there ,with adrenaline, fear, and chemicals flooding through your body , we do not know.
I suspect most of us are sensible to determine a fish seller to a group of nutters brandishing machetttes and shouting at you.
Those who say let it happen, there only after your money, this might be true, but if you have a young lady onboard your wife, , their is a possibility of sexual assault or even death if you intervene.
These guys may be high on crystal meth , a big problem in the Caribbean , these guys have no concept of fear or rational thought.
Each situation will be diffrent to many diffrent people, and to try and decipher that on here is extremely difficult
I plan on heading of to the big blue with the family in the future, I have debated internally with myself in regard s to taking a 12 bore pump action shotgun three rounds, Why, ! Because I need to think about safety of my family first,
I presume I am sensible enough to truly understand a threat , I would not pull the gun out at every fear point it’s not my nature,
Would i shoot to kill or maim or disable a vessel that was a threat , easy to say yes sitting on my bottom in comfort.
Who knows,
The cons of such a weapon , are known to me , as well
So the debate continues in my head until a decision has to be made, But I do not think I am Rambo , Or crazy it is discussion in my head that needs answers . As we all need to do , so scorning those that think about safety for themselves and family is wrong, it is very important, because if you think about safety ,other good ideas come from it , that are less life threating and can be less attractive to pirates and thief’s.
Those who are ill prepared and walk about not thinking of situations are those that tend to be robbed , or in danger.
Imho ofc
But in all honesty , we all do not know how we would react, or if having a weapon , actually shoot.
We can all give examples, tell tall stories ,and come up with sensible though processes, but once your out there ,with adrenaline, fear, and chemicals flooding through your body , we do not know.
I suspect most of us are sensible to determine a fish seller to a group of nutters brandishing machetttes and shouting at you.
Those who say let it happen, there only after your money, this might be true, but if you have a young lady onboard your wife, , their is a possibility of sexual assault or even death if you intervene.
These guys may be high on crystal meth , a big problem in the Caribbean , these guys have no concept of fear or rational thought.
Each situation will be diffrent to many diffrent people, and to try and decipher that on here is extremely difficult
I plan on heading of to the big blue with the family in the future, I have debated internally with myself in regard s to taking a 12 bore pump action shotgun three rounds, Why, ! Because I need to think about safety of my family first,
I presume I am sensible enough to truly understand a threat , I would not pull the gun out at every fear point it’s not my nature,
Would i shoot to kill or maim or disable a vessel that was a threat , easy to say yes sitting on my bottom in comfort.
Who knows,
The cons of such a weapon , are known to me , as well
So the debate continues in my head until a decision has to be made, But I do not think I am Rambo , Or crazy it is discussion in my head that needs answers . As we all need to do , so scorning those that think about safety for themselves and family is wrong, it is very important, because if you think about safety ,other good ideas come from it , that are less life threating and can be less attractive to pirates and thief’s.
Those who are ill prepared and walk about not thinking of situations are those that tend to be robbed , or in danger.
Imho ofc
cherod
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all very wise goose , but remember that a 12 bore is illegal and prob will get you into trouble in most places with the authorities ,, also firing a 12 bore is no mean task , there is a considerable recoil which could well throw it out of your hands the first time you fire it , pumping off a few shots takes a bit of experience even if you are a fair sized individual . as i think we have agreed before , killing someone who is a threat to you , your wife or your family will not be an issue ,, if it were not for the legal consequences i would def have one on board .
FlyingGoose
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I researched the bits out of this , and found scant legal wording , until I delved deeper into the quagmire of British legal rights
As an aspie my heaven
Anyway I diverse, it seems that a shotgun can be carried on Brittish flagged vessels as a security measure, with no license , as long as it as is usual locked up to police standards
This raised the argument in regards to leisure boats ,but the classification of a Brittish flagged vessel as we know is vague, so a Brittish yatch registerd and flying the ensign is a Brittish flagged vessel and can in circumstances allowed by the police ,carry a shotgun onboard without a license
Now the crunch is you cannot transport a weapon without a liscence. So to get it to the boat yourself would be illegal , but if some one drove it there with the right documention and you stored in a police approved locker no problems
Well yes you might face a problem it seems that as any licensed firearm the police need to be informed were the gun is and the fire arms officer has the duty to obviously make sure everyone is safe.
So they can ask for what reason ., and it’s needs to be justified, now if I say I’m off the sail down the English coast with my shotgun, this is unreasonable as the need to protect oneself is nil.
But if you can prove you are heading out of UK waters and show good reason the gun can stay.
Clearly each country has their own rules and legistion which one needs to comply with
I have fired a shotgun up and down barrels , my father and uncle went shooting , and my uncle needed to kill wild boar on his land ,
I still think fuel in the water and crazy eyes ya bam
Anyways if I am mistaken to the forum please feel free to correct it , it is hard to find this stuff out
Jamie Dundee
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I have no idea whether or not a gun can be carried aboard without a license, my question would be re how you obtain said gun without a license. You can’t legally buy one and no license holder is going to lend you one as they would then be liable to prosecution. I currently have license and guns but would be very concerned about trying to explain to the guardia civil or whoever that an English man’s boat is his castle/armoury ?
cherod
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Veree eintereting mr goose , but as JD points out maybe not so easy , dont think my spanish is good enough to convince Francos mob of its legality ?
FlyingGoose
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In the UK you can buy a shotgun with less than three shells held on a basic firearm liscense , it is not illegal for the gun seller to sell you the gun, without a liscense but they will not hand over the gun until the police give the ok,
Clearly you have to go through the police to get the licsence in the first place, hence the large grey area regarding on a boat ,
Once you have convinced the fire arms officer that you have a legal right to carry a gun on board and your heading out of UK waters then by law they have to allow this.
All hypothetical ofc, so the gun seller gets the nod from the police under much duress , and hands it over ,but know it is illegal to take gun to boat without license
So you would need a kind person or friend with said proper liscense to carry the gun out of the shop put in boot of car and drive to marina and put it in your boat .
It would obviously be much easier just to apply for a gun license
As a Brittish flagged vessel and your boat falls under the law of the UK you are legally allowed to carry that gun into any forgiven country, but you would need to declare the item per customs for that country. I would suspect you would face a lot of issues trying to explain it, therefore don’t take a gun on a boat .
Jamie Dundee
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In the UK to buy a shotgun you need a shotgun certificate which allows a smooth bore weapon with barrel not shorter than 24” with a max magazine capacity of 2 shells, +1 up the spout. No RFD I’ve ever known and no certificate holder would sell to someone without the requisite certificate which can be annotated with the relevant info. I also doubt anyone who valued their certificate would knowingly carry an unlicensed weapon. To take a gun into Europe you need a European certificate added on to your UK cert. I have little doubt this will change on 31/12/20. I had said cert and carried a couple of guns whilst living in various countries, I wouldn’t fancy my chances if boarded by military police however.
All hypothetical for me now I’m a Manx resident as my restricted weapons license allows me to take my guns precisely nowhere off the island without temporary licenses from guest country.
FlyingGoose
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I was pointing out the law in regards to a ocean going vessel, and if you got a canny solicitor involved I presume they would sell you a gun as it’s the law without a lisence. , as you said I would not expect any good gun shop owner to sell a weapon just because someone owned a boat.
Just pointing out the Peculiarities of British law
Stemar
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As long as you stay in international waters with your unlicensed gun, I'm sure you'll be fine. However, I can see one or two little issues with that plan...