Alcohol and boating

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I was interested to read the following in an American equivalent to one of our MAIB accident investigations (found on offshore blue.com).

I hadn't been aware of the various adverse effects on vision.

I'd be interested to know how the levels listed related to the UK driving limit (which uses mg/ml rather than the percentages used in this report).

"Effects of Alcohol Use in Recreational Boating4
Behavioral research indicates that certain sensory functions and the ability to respond adequately to situations encountered in recreational boating can be affected by consumption of even small amounts of alcohol. BACs [Blood alcohol concentrations]ranging from as low as 0.01 to 0.04 percent (roughly equivalent to two beers) can degrade a persons’ ability to do the following:
1. Discern faint lights or objects at night,
2. Notice objects just outside the direct line of sight,
3. Respond to a constantly changing stimulus, and
4. Select a response based on the nature of the stimulus.

Highly qualified boat operators begin to suffer measurable impairment at BAC levels of 0.035 percent. It takes longer to process information, such as recognizing whether a potentially dangerous situation is developing with another vessel and then deciding how to avoid an accident. At such BAC levels a person’s nocturnal vision will be more affected by glare from lights including boat navigation lights, shore lights, and even moonlight.

At BAC levels of 0.05 to 0.06 percent a person typically senses elation, becomes more talkative, and experiences increased self-confidence. Judgment is also slightly impaired. At BACs of 0.07 to 0.08 percent, a person might exhibit rambling speech, increased self-confidence, decreased inhibitions, and impaired sensory responses. At BACs of 0.09 to 0.10 percent a person might become emotional and excited. There might also be a further increase in self-confidence and a decrease in inhibitions, as well as a likely impairment of muscular coordination.

At BAC levels of 0.15 percent there will be definite impairment of balance and movement, a significant decrease in inhibition and an increase in self-confidence. Judgment and the ability to make rational decisions will be also be significantly degraded, which can lead to unacceptable risk taking. At BACs of 0.20 percent there will be considerable impairment of balance and the ability to control body movements. A person will normally exhibit slurred speech, staggering, and an inability to focus (in some cases, double vision). Individuals will likely also be incapable of safely and effectively conducting tasks such as operating machinery, driving vehicles, or operating boats.

4 A. James McKnight, Gordon S. Smith, Paul R. Marques, and James E. Lange, The Effects of Alcohol Upon Human Functioning in Recreational Boating, National Public Services Research Institute (Landover, MD: December 29, 1994)."
 
I am partial to a small glass of beer at lunchtime or a small G&T in the evening when sailing and the conditions are 'right'; but I much prefer to be at anchor or in a marina for a proper drink.
 
I am partial to a small glass of beer at lunchtime or a small G&T in the evening when sailing and the conditions are 'right'; but I much prefer to be at anchor or in a marina for a proper drink.

+1 . Only consider it once we are tied up/moored/anchored securely. Never under way. And not if there is any chance of re-setting an anchor in the middle of the night!
 
Almost never while under way. Maybe a small 250ml bottle of beer in calm weather and familiar waters, but not often. The main effects on co-ordination and decision making seemed to be after several drinks, which is what one would expect. The effects of one or two drinks would only be evident at night or in demanding circumstances, unlike car-driving, so I think that reasonable caution should be enough for most of us. Cheers.
 


At BAC levels of 0.15 percent there will be definite impairment of balance and movement, a significant decrease in inhibition and an increase in self-confidence. Judgment and the ability to make rational decisions will be also be significantly degraded, which can lead to unacceptable risk taking. At BACs of 0.20 percent there will be considerable impairment of balance and the ability to control body movements. A person will normally exhibit slurred speech, staggering, and an inability to focus (in some cases, double vision). Individuals will likely also be incapable of safely and effectively conducting tasks such as operating machinery, driving vehicles, or operating boats.
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I wonder if someone has been spiking my coffee ???????
 
Unfortunately the Americans have a major problem analysing alcohol usage and who consumes it and when,, For example

The National Transportation Safety Board recently divulged they had covertly funded a project with the US auto makers for the past five years, whereby the auto makers were installing black boxes in four-wheel drive pickup trucks in an effort to determine, in fatal accidents, the circumstances in the last 15 seconds before the crash.

They were surprised to find in 49 of the 50 states the last words of drivers in 61.2 percent of fatal crashes where alcohol was involved were,

"Oh, Sh**!"

Mind you given the apocryphal story below I am not surprised.



At the end of the day at conference of American beer producers, the presidents of all beer companies decide to have a drink in a bar.

The president of 'Budweiser' orders a Bud, the president of 'Miller' orders a Miller Lite, Adolph Coors orders a Coors, and the list goes on.

Then the waitress asks Arthur Guinness what he wants to drink, and much to everybody's amazement, Mr. Guinness orders a Coke!

"Why don't you order a Guinness?" his colleagues ask.

"Naah. If you guys won't drink beer, then neither will I."
 
I'd be interested to know how the levels listed related to the UK driving limit (which uses mg/ml rather than the percentages used in this report).
The UKEnglish, Welsh and Irish Road Limit is 80mg / 100mL of blood. That is the same as 0.08% w/w.

In Europe - the limit is usually 0.05% (50mg/100mL) as it now is for Scotland.

BACs [Blood alcohol concentrations]ranging from as low as 0.01 (10mg/100mL) to 0.04 (40mg/100mL) percent (roughly equivalent to two beers) can degrade a persons’ ability to do the following:
1. Discern faint lights or objects at night,
2. Notice objects just outside the direct line of sight,
3. Respond to a constantly changing stimulus, and
4. Select a response based on the nature of the stimulus.

So you'd be legal to drive in most of Europe at this level

Highly qualified boat operators begin to suffer measurable impairment at BAC levels of 0.035 percent35mg/100mL. It takes longer to process information, such as recognizing whether a potentially dangerous situation is developing with another vessel and then deciding how to avoid an accident. At such BAC levels a person’s nocturnal vision will be more affected by glare from lights including boat navigation lights, shore lights, and even moonlight.

At BAC levels of 0.05 to 0.06 percent 50 - 60mg/100mL - so still Legal in UK except Scotland to drivea person typically senses elation, becomes more talkative, and experiences increased self-confidence. Judgment is also slightly impaired. At BACs of 0.07 to 0.08 70-80mg/100ml so up to the English drink drive limit percent, a person might exhibit rambling speech, increased self-confidence, decreased inhibitions, and impaired sensory responses. At BACs of 0.09 to 0.10 percent 90 -100mg/100mL - so no longer legal to drive in the UK - but certainly on breath you aren't usually prosecuted until 15% over the breath limit - not sure if blood is the same a person might become emotional and excited. There might also be a further increase in self-confidence and a decrease in inhibitions, as well as a likely impairment of muscular coordination.

At BAC levels of 0.15 percent150mg/100mL - so ~twice English Limit and 3 x Euro Limit there will be definite impairment of balance and movement, a significant decrease in inhibition and an increase in self-confidence. Judgment and the ability to make rational decisions will be also be significantly degraded, which can lead to unacceptable risk taking. At BACs of 0.20 percent200mg/100mL there will be considerable impairment of balance and the ability to control body movements. A person will normally exhibit slurred speech, staggering, and an inability to focus (in some cases, double vision). Individuals will likely also be incapable of safely and effectively conducting tasks such as operating machinery, driving vehicles, or operating boats.

4 A. James McKnight, Gordon S. Smith, Paul R. Marques, and James E. Lange, The Effects of Alcohol Upon Human Functioning in Recreational Boating, National Public Services Research Institute (Landover, MD: December 29, 1994)."
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80mg of Alcohol in 100ml Blood is 0.08g of Alcohol in 100ml of Blood. I've stupidly typed w/w previously it should have be w/v - so mass(weight) of the substance being measured in grams / volume in mL x 100 (or in other words mass in 100mL)
 
I went out on my son's motorboat to watch the new years fireworks on Brisbane river.
Loads of boats anchored but also a large police presence, many on PWCs. Almost every boat was visited and many breathalised.
Apparently you can lose your car licence if over the limit. Nobody seemed to object.
Perhaps it's the future for UK too?
 
I went out on my son's motorboat to watch the new years fireworks on Brisbane river.
Loads of boats anchored but also a large police presence, many on PWCs. Almost every boat was visited and many breathalised.
Apparently you can lose your car licence if over the limit. Nobody seemed to object.
Perhaps it's the future for UK too?

Police struggle to be on the streets let alone be out on boats imho.
 
I've anchored in Runswick Bay and rowed to the pub, drank 5 pints, then rowed back to the boat. Never again! I couldn't stay my course, and every time I turned around, the boat had moved a hundred yards. I must have rowed two or three times the real distance before I reached her. Getting back aboard was the next challenge. My dingy was little more than a child's toy. Robust though it appeared, it folded in half as I stepped onto the boarding ladder, and I had to haul myself up using only my arms. It's lucky I lift weights.
 
I never ever drink when sailing. Even when anchored securely in a good spot I drink moderately in case of incident in the night and keep well below Scottish/European limit. However when moored up the pub calls and the brewers craft is appreciated, but I still watch my step (English limits) if needing to row. A friend nearly drowned falling out of dinghy when sizzled. The gin palaces (spotless white and rarely seen at sea on the muddy Bristol Channel) charging across Cardiff Bay after drinks on board worry me and I'm surprised there has not been more mishaps.
 
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I went out on my son's motorboat to watch the new years fireworks on Brisbane river.
Loads of boats anchored but also a large police presence, many on PWCs. Almost every boat was visited and many breathalised.
Apparently you can lose your car licence if over the limit. Nobody seemed to object.
Perhaps it's the future for UK too?

Given my signature you can probably guess where i am from, but i do spend as much as 60% of my working life in Australia working with my esteemed (I mean that sincerely, they are good smart people!) Australian colleagues and customers.

I am often amazed at their acceptance of authority as described above. Other examples include police ticketing pedestrians for crossing the road when the "don't cross" signal was on. Try that one in London!
Compulsory registration of all boats and requirement for a licence.
Big fines for speeding at low levels: state of Victoria can and will fine you for 1 km/hr over the 100 km/hr speed limit. I recently got fined AU$180 for being 8 km/hr over the speed limit on a 6 lane motorway!
When i discuss this with Australian colleagues they are totally accepting of these things and incredulous that we in NZ can go boating with no registration or licences.
Trouble is the worlds bureaucrats all talk to each other and have a vision of utopia where every human activity is controlled and only allowable with appropriate permit - complete with fee to support the bureaucracy of course!
Watch for restrictions on your freedoms in the name of "international best practice"
 
Unfortunately the Americans have a major problem ....... four-wheel drive pickup trucks...... fatal accidents, .........

My employer is a major oil and gas company and their biggest killer is road incidents, not incidents involving oil and gas activities. The most dangerous country for road incidents in the USA, worse than Saudi, Pakistan, South Africa, Nigeria for example. The hypocrisy of my employer is staggering. In the example countries there are strict controls over how I go about driving e.g. journey management, in vehicle monitoring, training and oil some cases a ban on driving except via professional drivers. The Americans do not want any of that, so they don't get it. Yanks can't drive, they believe that driving for hours is acceptable, commuting between Houston and NewOrleans for example, daily. I have drill crews that come off two week shifts, after working nights, get in their cars and drive a 1000 miles non stop.
 
..... Watch for restrictions on your freedoms in the name of "international best practice"

Fortunately we have a reasonably influential charitable organisation in the RYA that has taken on the role of the voice of boaters and they resist restrictions.
 
I gather that in Canada, there are wrap around Coca Cola labels for your beer can, as the water police scan with binos and are tough on any drinking.
 
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