A word of warning about filters!

asteven221

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I am not going to mention the manufacturer (yet) because I think they owe me an explanation first so I will give them time to do it. Anyway here's the story which may interest you all.

I recently serviced my TAMD63p engines myself as I do every year and have done for many years. Routine stuff. This year however I decided to use 3rd party filters form a big manufacturer instead of the genuine Volvo filters I normally use. When deciding to do so I discovered that there are fakes on the market, so I took the step to email the manufacturer quoting the company I am buying from. They came back saying that the supplier is official and that I will be getting genuine products. They even sent me a certificate of quality. I have no reason to believe that the filters were anything other than genuine matched filters.

The story is that we pootled off on a 14 mile round trip journey at about 7 knots. No problems. The following week, on returning from the same place the sea was a wee bit lumpy, so it called for some throttle. 18 knots for 10 mins got us through the uncomfortable beam sea. After throttling back, I noticed a smell of diesel and opened the stair hatch to see significant amounts of fuel sloshing about the floor in the engine bay. First thoughts were a burst tank or hose, so I started to lift floor panels. At this point we were in a shipping channel, but fortunately there wasn't any traffic. As soon as the first panel was lifted I saw fuel spraying out the manifold where the fuel filters attach and immediately thought I hadn't put the filter on correctly and it was loose. In fact it wasn't there! It was lying on the floor and fuel was showering everywhere. The engines were brought back to neutral and I had the idea of retrieving the filter and sticking it back on. To my horror the filter from the same place on the other engine had detached itself and it too was spraying fuel everywhere. The engines were still running ok, but I shut down the port engine with the idea of putting the filter on and restarting it. Anyway, it wouldn't start so I kept the starboard engine on to get us out the channel. By this time carbon monoxide alarms were going off and general panic was breaking out as fumes were filling the boat and I was think calling the coastguard, preparing the liferaft etc...etc...

To cut the story shorter, a boating buddy was passing and towed us back and I berthed safely on the remaining engine. It took me with the help of 4 others folk, 5 hours to pump out over 120 litres of diesel and to clean up the boat. I must mention that Sealine did a brilliant job in the design of the engine bay on the F44, with a grp finished floor and sealing the fore and aft bulkheads. Hardly a drop of fuel escaped from the engine bay. After pumping out and a lot of hard work, there is no sign or smell that the event took place.

There were a lot "what if's" in my mind after all this - fire being the biggest one in my mind. Fortunately no harm was done to us or the boat, but why did the filters blow off? They were matched as exact replacements by the manufacturer. They looked identical. Clearly the pressure of the high speed run caused them to detach themselves, but why? The manufacturer has now got them back for an investigation, hence my opening comment about waiting to see what they say.

I think I know why they blew off. If you do a side by side comparison with a genuine Volvo filter you can see that the hole where the threads are is slightly larger. You would never know by looking at the filter in isolation, but side by side with the genuine filter it becomes apparent. Without an answer from the manufacturer, I can only offer this as an explanation.

The moral of the story for me is to just fit the genuine filters. I realise Volvo don't make them in the first place, but maybe there is an argument to say that at the very least they supply a product that has been specified and inspected to a certain standard suitable for their engines. It was a bit of a scary situation for us and it's amazing how it makes you think about fire safety and how you would deal with such an event out at sea. I still wonder if I was sensible to keep one engine running. On hindsight probably not. I will also remove the padlock from the liferaft, which is daft when I think about it now, even although the key was at hand. What if the padlock jammed?

At the end of the day, we lived to tell the tale and once I get an official response I will report back if anyone is interested in what they say.
 
complete nightmare - sounds like a narrow escape. I have often been tempted to use non oem filters but had a bad experience with an oil filter many years ago that nearly trashed an expensive car engine. I think on a boat unless you absolutely know that the filter is from the same manufacturer as your engine maker buys them from its not worth it.
 
Many thanks for posting this, I will bookmark it and bring it out when I am advised to buy none original filters which I always refute due to stories such as this.. just not worth saving a few quid to have doubts about quality embossed of the boats service records for the next buyer to scrutinise. Your story goes one step further and puts myself and my families safety in question. not worth it as you say. glad to hear you got through it relatively unscathed
 
I work with filters everyday ( mainly hydraulic and not fuel admittedly) and the replacement ones are normally just as good as "genuine". I am struggling to understand what has happened here ? When you say they "blew off" did they strip the threads in the filter ? Or did they just unscrew themselves ?
 
I work with filters everyday ( mainly hydraulic and not fuel admittedly) and the replacement ones are normally just as good as "genuine". I am struggling to understand what has happened here ? When you say they "blew off" did they strip the threads in the filter ? Or did they just unscrew themselves ?

++ good question
 
The filters were the fine engine mounted filters.

For those not familiar with Volvo TAMD63p engines there are two identical filters mounted on the engine as a pair, side by side (looks like they are in series) on a manifold assembly. They are mounted high up, forward left hand side (looking at the engines from the back). The fuel goes into the first one (primary), then the second one. In each case, on each engine, at about the same moment, it was the primary filters that "blew off".

I am 99.9% certain that the filters did not unscrew themselves. Had it been one engine then maybe, but not two separate engines at the same time. We all had a good look at the filters and the consensus of opinion at the time was that the threads looked as if they had stripped (squared off) slightly due to blowing of. If you can imagine if you could just grap the filter and pull it straight down off the mounting, you will get the idea what I am trying to describe. The threads on the engine seem ok, perhaps backed up by the fact that the Volvo filters are now installed and I have tested them at 2300 RPM for about 15 mins per engine and everything is running as normal. When I installed the filters I did not notice anything unusual or not right. They seemed ok to me, but then again I might have noticed something if I was installing filters all the time. I do it once a year and expect them to fit! It was a fellow boater who happens to be an experienced car mechanic who said as soon as he saw them thought that that the hole size looked wrong. I think it is more than likely he is correct.

In all honesty I find it hard to believe that the manufacturer in question makes dodgy filters. They are too big for that. I think that maybe something has gone wrong with their manufacturing process for this type of filter, or the matching process is faulty somewhere along the line. Maybe fakes have got into the official supply chain? Who knows. I am 99.99% certain it's not my installation either. Although I am not a pro mechanic, I have been spinning on filters on my boats for many years, which at typically at least 3 per engine (4 on the TAMD63p) adds up to a lot of filters over the years. I have never seen a single one come off. I have seen a couple of genuine Volvo oil bypass filters that won't actually spin on due to faulty threads. That's the extent of any problems I have seen regarding filters.
 
My guess is a manufacturing defect - glad the makers have taken them back to investigate rather than pretending the problem didn't exist.

I do think the genuine / OEM aspect is a red herring though. I can't see any reason that, if a defect can happen to the own-label filters, it couldn't also happen to the ones in the next batch which get Volvo labels. Your past experience with the faulty oil filters demonstrates that there's no magic in the label.

Pete
 
My guess is a manufacturing defect - glad the makers have taken them back to investigate rather than pretending the problem didn't exist.

I do think the genuine / OEM aspect is a red herring though. I can't see any reason that, if a defect can happen to the own-label filters, it couldn't also happen to the ones in the next batch which get Volvo labels. Your past experience with the faulty oil filters demonstrates that there's no magic in the label.

Pete


Thing is though Pete, isn't there a case for...

Scenario A: OEM filter defect causing engine kaputt scenario = engine manufacturer / insurer having an excuse to pull out their ace card, "sorry, not warranted / insured as genuine parts not used" = risk of no replacement engine / insurance payout.

Scenario B: Genuine filter defect causing engine kaputt scenario = serviced in line with manufacturer guidelines = less risk of no engine replacement / insurance payout

I am not sure, hence the question
 
I work with filters everyday ( mainly hydraulic and not fuel admittedly) and the replacement ones are normally just as good as "genuine". I am struggling to understand what has happened here ? When you say they "blew off" did they strip the threads in the filter ? Or did they just unscrew themselves ?

I am with you on this one, dangerous ground for me and certain Volvopaul will help me here but looking at my VP63 library pics the pair of last chance filters appear to be on the suction side of of the injection pump mounted fuel lift pump.

IF filters are on suction side not sure how they 'blew off'.

Also correct me if I am wrong but pair of last chance filters, or on engine filters were replaced (Identical part #'s)but only one of each pair came off, blew off?

Suspect spin on fuel filters have M16 1.5 thread pretty much standard across most European diesel engines, simply sticking a 16mm tap down the ole in the filter would be be a good starting point.

Like Searanger I will reserve my judgement.
 
I have only ever had one fuel filter blow off in all my years doing this .
Dare I say it was a non genuine filter and on a 63 p, it was last year.
After a post mortem on this I put it down to the rubber seal pushing out because it was a very cold day when I fitted it . The same filter was screwed back on and is still in use today. The two are sure by side, one is easy to tighten as there us room to grab it tight However the other isn't so easy because there is no room to grip it tight , therefore I always give it a hand with the filter strap.
In my view there is nothing wrong with non genuine filters .

P e j off this forum last week had a genuine D12 fuel filter leak , it didn't come loose but spit the seal out, see his thread on MDL staff etc . So in my book nothing is bombproof, genuine or not .
I'd be interested who you bought from by pm please , if its who I'm thinking of I'd be very careful what you say on here about them . Pm me .
 
Thing is though Pete, isn't there a case for...

Scenario A: OEM filter defect causing engine kaputt scenario = engine manufacturer / insurer having an excuse to pull out their ace card, "sorry, not warranted / insured as genuine parts not used" = risk of no replacement engine / insurance payout.

Scenario B: Genuine filter defect causing engine kaputt scenario = serviced in line with manufacturer guidelines = less risk of no engine replacement / insurance payout

I am not sure, hence the question

From my Sunseeker " shield " policy
Seaworthy:

The insured property is seaworthy if it is maintained and crewed in such a way as to be able to operate safely in the conditions which can reasonably be expected. If you are unable to maintain/ operate the insured property due to lack of knowledge, time or skill you must engage the services of somebody to do so on your behalf.
And
" We will not pay out " -
Damage to insured property caused or contributed to by not being maintained in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommendations and/or warranties

Check your policy Gary's right -opens up a " cop out "

Ps I use genuine parts from VP
 
can I just ask one thing please , are you in the uk or from across the Pond , don't mean to be cheeky or anything , just asking.


Jim
 
I am with you on this one, dangerous ground for me and certain Volvopaul will help me here but looking at my VP63 library pics the pair of last chance filters appear to be on the suction side of of the injection pump mounted fuel lift pump.

IF filters are on suction side not sure how they 'blew off'.

Also correct me if I am wrong but pair of last chance filters, or on engine filters were replaced (Identical part #'s)but only one of each pair came off, blew off?

Suspect spin on fuel filters have M16 1.5 thread pretty much standard across most European diesel engines, simply sticking a 16mm tap down the ole in the filter would be be a good starting point.

Like Searanger I will reserve my judgement.

Paul,

The fuel line.

Tank, pre filter to inlet side of lift pump, out of lift pump to two fine filters on engine , fine filter to injection pump which is Bosch inline .
Lift pump is roller cam from camshaft in injection pump, also has bolt on vertical hand primer.

Two fine filters are under pressure from lift pump when engine running.
 
No question whats happened here, thread not fully meshed. Ive been in the motor trade 40 years and have known loose fitting threads. When you screw the filter on, before the seal touches its mating face, rock the filter, there should be very little movement if any. pity the thread id was not compared between original and after market with vernier before returned to supplier .
 
Paul,

The fuel line.

Tank, pre filter to inlet side of lift pump, out of lift pump to two fine filters on engine , fine filter to injection pump which is Bosch inline .
Lift pump is roller cam from camshaft in injection pump, also has bolt on vertical hand primer.

Two fine filters are under pressure from lift pump when engine running.

Paul , but surely the lift pump is a low pressure pump and not capable of enough pressure to blow off filters? If it is a high pressure pump , there must be some sort of pressure contol. Is there a relief valve in lift pump as it may have stuxk and caused too high a pressure ?
 
Paul , but surely the lift pump is a low pressure pump and not capable of enough pressure to blow off filters? If it is a high pressure pump , there must be some sort of pressure contol. Is there a relief valve in lift pump as it may have stuxk and caused too high a pressure ?

From memory and do not quote me but primary pump pressure is about 30/35 psi max.
 
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