A "what's the flag and on which boat"

[MoodySabre]

 

[prv]

Looks like it's on a chock-staff standing in for a mast that has been sent down. Victory is currently having a rig refit, so I'm guessing it's her. And presumably the flag is an older version of the Union Jack, for example the one current at Trafalgar?

Pete

 

[MoodySabre]

Not that modern.

The current Union Flag dates back to 1801 - before Trafalgar.

 

[prv]

The ship or the flag?

If the latter, perhaps it's from when Victory was built instead?

Pete

 

[B&M]

This is the Union Flag that was current from 1606-1801, after that date St Patricks Cross was added to give us the present day version.

 

[MoodySabre]

B&M has part one.

This flag was photographed on a replica of the original vessel but not in the UK.

 

[Koeketiene]

B&M has part one.

This flag was photographed on a replica of the original vessel but not in the UK.

HMS Endeavour?

 

[ithet]

The nation of Engniwaleland

So, what will be the national flag in 5 years if Scotland becomes independant? Two red crosses (one diagonal) on a white background? And what might our ensign be, will they ALL be white?

Anyone want to come in with me to get some made up in China, we could be first off the block and corner the market!

Oh - HMS Bounty Replica? (AKA The Black Pearl)

 

[MoodySabre]

HMS Endeavour?

Earlier and smaller - the three ships in this pic flew them

 

[Reverend Ludd]

Mayflower ?

 

[MoodySabre]

Mayflower ?

Warm. A bit earlier.

 

[chinita]

Warm. A bit earlier.

Aprilflower?

 

[Reverend Ludd]

Drake's Pelican ?

 

[snowleopard]

The 'Tot Club' in Antigua use that version of the union flag. and the corresponding white ensign.

 

[B&M]

Looks like Jamestown Virginia.

 

[MoodySabre]

Looks like Jamestown Virginia.

Yeah! It was on the Godspeed - one the ships that took the first settlers to Jamestown in 1607 - so it was a new flag then.

We saw the Godspeed in Alexandria three weeks ago when I took the photo but when we went to Jamestown nearly three weeks later she was motoring back into Jamestown.

 

[DaveS]

So, what will be the national flag in 5 years if Scotland becomes independant? Two red crosses (one diagonal) on a white background? And what might our ensign be, will they ALL be white?

Logically, one would think so, but...

Thinking about the flag in the OP's picture, from 1606 to 1707 England and Scotland were independent countries but with the same monarch. The first version of the Union flag would logically have come into use from 1707. If it was in fact used from 1606 (anyone know if it was, or have the Septics got it wrong? They are familiar with the original Union flag from the war of independence.) then it must have symbolised the union of the crowns, which is a bit odd since the respective monarchs had their own flags (one rampant/ three passant lions) which were amalgamated to form (after addition of the Irish harp) the present quartered royal standard (in two forms for use in Scotland and elsewhere).

 

[Reverend Ludd]

Here is some facts on the "Kings Colours"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Union_flag_1606_(Kings_Colors).svg

 

[alteredoutlook]

so (a bit of fred drift here), (or has a previous thread answered this?) :
what flag will we have as an ensign if scotland go independent?

 

[BlackPig]

Cross of St George top left of red flag. As English ensign probably.

The Scots may choose a new design for the Scottish ensign. Until then....