A very, very lucky girl indeed !!

bbg said:
IMHO clipping on might be a double-edged sword.
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Yup. People have been drowned by harnesses in knock downs. OTOH people have died because they weren't clipped on.

So personal choice, innit.

Fortunately the numbers of deaths in sailing are miniscule, so it's not really worth worrying too much about.

FWIW IMHO clipping on is about 10,000,037 times more effective than wearing an LJ but not clipping on. I'm sure others would disagree, and good luck to them.
 
toad_oftoadhall said:
Oh. I thought you were talking to me. I'm sure the average yachtie will be very grateful to you for teaching them to suck eggs in cold water.
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Yes I was talking to you. No, I wasn't teaching the average sailor, just talking about them.

Egg sucking reply came from your comment:

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That's my gut feeling. You don't get the warmth for free - you're burning more energy. ...but does it keep you alive longer in the short term.
 
Amazing thread.

7 pages of bickering about lifejackets from the various camps and not one mention of the fantastic seamanship displayed by the yacht that found her. To locate, and recover, a MOB at night in a F6 and large waves, requires not only a fair slice of luck, but also some top drawer seamanship. My hat is well and truly off to the Jeez Louise crew.
 
flaming said:
amazing thread. . . . . The fantastic seamanship displayed by the yacht that found her. To locate, and recover, a mob at night in a f6 and large waves, requires not only a fair slice of luck, but also some top drawer seamanship. My hat is well and truly off to the jeez louise crew.
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xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSeconded ! :)
 
The pro-con arguments about LJs remind me very much of the arguments about car seatbelts when it was first proposed wearing them should be a legal requirement. You could guarantee that in any group discussing it somebody would know of someone who only survived an accident because he was NOt wearing his seatbelt. If he had ...etc etc etc. Most people who did not use seatbelts (myslef included) before we were made to could come up with any number of reasons for not making it a legal requirement, ranging from 'it could actually kill you in some circumstances' to 'infringement of personal liberty' via 'they will almost certainly injure you in a high speed collision anyway'.

Seems the same old arguments keep coming up with LJs. Now where DID I put mine? I know I have one somewhere....
 
GrahamHR said:
What an ignorant comment; lifejackets are meant to increase the likelihood of survival, not to guarantee it. 30, 60 minutes later, who knows, she might have been sunk/ turned onto her face/ be dead. Without a lifejacket her legacy to her surviving relatives would have been , what, £60 higher?
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You can disagree without being offensive. Everyone is allowed their own opinion.
Some of us have elected not to wear lifejackets in conditions where others would, out of experience.
Nothing was mentioned about saving money by not owning one.
 
I wonder if the lifejacket was holding her head under because the crotch straps had caught on something?! ..... Did I really just say that?
 
oldharry said:
The pro-con arguments about LJs remind me very much of the arguments about car seatbelts when it was first proposed wearing them should be a legal requirement. You could guarantee that in any group discussing it somebody would know of someone who only survived an accident because he was NOt wearing his seatbelt. If he had ...etc etc etc. Most people who did not use seatbelts (myslef included) before we were made to could come up with any number of reasons for not making it a legal requirement, ranging from 'it could actually kill you in some circumstances' to 'infringement of personal liberty' via 'they will almost certainly injure you in a high speed collision anyway'.

Seems the same old arguments keep coming up with LJs. Now where DID I put mine? I know I have one somewhere....
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I have some experience of the seatbelt argument. In my extreme years I was thrown unharmed from a flying Lotus 7, saved by a 4 point in a totally destroyed AVO Escort and badly smashed in an old Vauxhall with no seat belts. If the lifejacket argument was yes or no, it would be a simple yes for me. Unlike seatbelts there is another alternative, harness and clip on. Personally I think there is a place for all 3. Most of the time I don't wear a lifejacket or harness, then I go to the boat and decide between the two.
Allan
 
Searush said:
Here's a thought;

With a lifejacket on one cannot swim easily, so one tends to just lie there. No point fighting, may as well relax. You slowly get colder, slight hypothermia leads to drowsiness & sleep kills. Staying awake is a key lesson for surviving extreme cold.

No life jacket or PBA tends to concentrate the mind - almost to panic. Adrenaline surges thro the body. One has to swim, tread water or at least try to float. You are moving all the time and this increase heat loss, but your movement is generating body heat. So you are using up energy to stay afloat & avoid hypothermia. Shivering is a natural response to being cold - and is involuntary body movement to generate warmth. You sure as heck ain't going to sleep.
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Disagree... you'd lose more than you gain from swimming, all you need is the power of your mind, so being able to concentrate solely on your mind rather than physically trying to survive as well would be advantageous; of course, that is if you know that you need to mentally concentrate on wanting to survive...
 
Evening all. Just talked to Prue, who mentioned I had a read of this forum for some ego-stroking. The speculation makes some interesting reading, and I'll post our end if the story if you chaps would like, but I'd call it less spectacular seamanship on our part, more a series of lucky events.

Steve,
GBR7509R
Jeez-Louise
 
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