A safe Harbour in a Storm

To me it's a stupid question. Marina full is obvious. But there are very few uk harbours interested in who enters and only then because of the danger of outgoing ferries. You just mosey up and go in. No harbour will denny entrance especially in a storm. OK you might not get the best berth in a marina. But you will never get refused.
 
Hlb
There you go again claiming a stupid question. A perfectly peaceful thread on a valid boating topic cannot be left alone by you.

The question what the law is and that is a perfectly valid question. Sorry it does not fit in with the forum thought police code.

Also the answers have been interesting. In particular the being dumped outside without an engine working etc.
 
that's terrible. OK I ,m sure the berth was booked out to somebody else, but the somebody else had a fully functional boat. so much for helping others in distress. somehow I don't think this would happen in the UK - or am I dreaming?
 
"This means I have a weak case arriving in a little Cornish harbour two hours before the storm hits"

Gludy is this hypothetical or was it an actual incident? If actual what was the weather forecast prior to leaving the marina?
 
It is theoretical but raised because with a drying out boat that is slower I may only be able to reach a small harbour in time to miss what is coming.

In real life I listen to the Met office forecasts but take them with a pinch of salt and do my own. So I would never plan to be out in bad weather.

I have been out in bad weather because of must do delivery trips but that was in large mon0 hull power boats and I knew what I was heading into to, although when the waves needed to be looked up to from the flybridge of a 60 foot boat - estimated at 18 feet high, I did run for cover to Plymouth with a German warship taking station up smack on my stern and covering me from the wind!

I go boating to enjoy myself not to punish myself and SWMBO so I always do my very best to avoid bad weather but I am pleased that I have had bad weather experiences on delivery trips.

There are clear rules governing the duty of a skipper in a boat to come to the aid of anyone in distress but there do not seem to be any rules governing a harbour giving aid to a boat that is trying to avoid a distress situation.
 
please excuse my ignorance but if you're buying your new boat to do extended cruising then surely one of the main points of this boat should be that it can take Anything the weather can throw at it.
 
The long range boat I will be buying will exceed Class A Ocean going and will be capable of riding out a storm..... yes.

However, there are many reasons why you would wish to avoid such a storm and many other reasons why a storm can be dangerous for any boat.

Storms see huge commercial boats founder let alone a class A pleasure boat - it would be foolhardy not to avoid a storm no matter what boat you are in - the stress on the crew - in this case SWMBO, not being the least of it.

I will always do all I can to avoid bad weather and will not sail into it unless I really have to and in that case would still try and limit it to a maximum force 8.
 
I'll try to be more polite than Haydn but I am becoming a bit confused about what precisely the problem is.

One of the advantages of a cat is that they are less uncomfortably in bad weather and a 50ft version should be able to cope with almost anything around the British coast.

OK no-one likes the nasty stuff but its part of the game really.

As for getting to a safe haven then what is your worry. You just go in. Assuming that the place is safe to enter, and many are not in bad weather from the wrong direction. I would guess thats a common thing around Cornwall. Thats seamanship and local knowledge needed for this decision.

A couple of times I've ducked into places yachts don't normally go - once for bad weather, and once cos I was tired and needed a rest and had missed the tide and was generally fed up.

No-one even asked the question. I asumed that if there isn't a rule to say they must let you in then there isn't a rule that says you must go out if you consider it unsafe.

If you need to go in then go - and argue the case from a position of being tied up and secure. I would be amazed if anyone bothered. And if they were what could they do? Call he bobbies - doubt they would be interested - and if they were tell them you've had a drink and can't drive.

Sue you - for what - making a temporary hole in their water?

I think you are worrying about nothing - JGFDI
 
Re: PS

As an afterthought.

Taking a 50ft cat into a small harbour in bad weather could in itself be quite a demanding exercise.

A cat is lighter than both a mono sailing boat or a power boat.

In my very limited experience of a 9m Catalac they get blown about quite q bit even under engine, and even with twin engines were quite difficult to manoeuvre in a strong cross wind.

I can imagine a big cat in a crowded harbour in a strong wind being somewhat embarrasing

I think what I'm saying is don't jump out of the frying pan into the fire.

PPS

You mention Cat A for the boat, which reminded me. Lower categories of boat used commercially can only sail within specific distance of a "safe haven"

As this is legislation there must be some definition of what constitutes a "safe have"

From that it follows that whatever harbour, port or facility constitutes a "safe haven" must allow entry - otherwise it could not be a haven.

QED I suggest
 
Catch 22

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I think it's just Gludys latest attempt to get the 10 million thread post

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If so, by repeating how useless his threads are, don't you just help him reach this target?
 
I am getting a bit fed up here. I do not remotely understand why you have to try to be polite.

There is not a problem. I never stated there was. I simply requested if anyone knew if there was a law on this matter and it seems no one does know of one. If there was a a law it would be interesting to know what it is - thats it - its that simple.

As often happens there were some interesting experiences relating to the subject from overseas ports and I for one learnt a bit from that. Others also seemed interested and made comments.

The thought had come to mind because a sailing cat does not have the speed to run from some storms whereas all my previous boats had that option. There is no more to it than that.

However this does not seem good enough for you and Haydn - you try to make an issue out of it.

All I can say is please try and get a life.

I have never seen this subject raised before on the forum and I and others found the small discussion interesting but some just have to step in and start the really silly points that you are making. .
 
Hlb

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I think it's just Gludys latest attempt to get the 10 million thread post. Invent somthing that's never happend, get everone het up about it. Then decide some thing has to be done about it.


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The only people getting as you call it 'het up about it' are you and your cronies. It was a simple peaceful discussion until you cam along with your usual anti-Gludy drivel.

Its your rudeness and stupid bullying tactics that make a lot of my threads drift away from the original subject and end up as some sort of forum row.

Please - just ignore all my threads or actually try contributing without resorting to insults.
I know that may be difficult but if you try very hard ... it can be done.

As regards the event never happening - the experiences related by other here pass what I was talking about by a mile and were a positive contribution - a shared experience.

As regards anyone making a point that any class A boat can survive anything the UK waters can throw at them is simply ignorant- just look at history of wrecks - even this last 12 months around our shores and they were large commercial vessels.
 
Re: Catch 22

Mapism
You are so right - in fact they start the personal insults - it develops into a sort of schoolyard fight and everyone gathers around!!!

This thread was meant as a very simple thing and was about over when they started,

The points being made - as is often the case are totally absurd - that a class A cat should be able to take anything the UK waters can throw at it!!!!!
 
Re: Catch 22

Yes it does increase the thread count. But also adds to sanity.

Gudy said. "I have not seen this subject raised before". Or words to that effect.

Because. Theres only gludy on the planet who would ask the question.
 
gludy

The points being made - as is often the case are totally absurd - that a class A cat should be able to take anything the UK waters can throw at it!!!!!

thanks gludy.
blooming great. i ask a simple question and i get called absurd. well I'll take my ignorance and my desire to learn and just [--word removed--] off shall i.
 
Re: gludy

No, the point being made is, gludys worried that he might get banned from entering a port in a storm and was wondering if there was a law about it..

If there is a law it's. Any port in a storm.
 
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To me it's a stupid question.

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Tell you what Haydn........seems to me that there are no stupid questions......only stupid answers??

Now you don't strike me as a stupid person, and don't take my post as me just having a pop at you, but no-one is born with all the answers, so why not cut Paul a bit of slack? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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