A different EU v UK question on boat place

[petem]

Exactly! I think Porto's point is that the the EU/Schengen rules have not changed as a result of Brexit ... it is the UK's status that has changed, and as a result UK citizens now have to follow the procedures that have always applied to non-EU/Shengen nationals.

The requirement to register with national authorities after 90 days of presence has always been there. Most people taking advantage of freedom of movement within the EU do so for work and become registered because they need to pay local taxes, social security, go to the doctor, etc. The number of people with second homes in another EU country, or travelling or vacationing and spending more than 90 days in a country without employment is quite small, and so the requirement to register has been largely ignored by everyone. Registration is not just an administrative formality as it effectively announces your presence to the tax and other fiscal authorities who could then decide to query your residence status and chase you for wealth. income and other taxes, some of which are also applicable to non-residents.

This was Porto's point....

"Theres a myth floating about you lost something with Brexit. You didn’t. You just have to do things properly."

British citizens did lose the automatic right to visit EU countries for more than 90 days in 180 (providing they can support themselves).

As @jfm has so eloquently put it, Porto is 110% wrong.

 

[Poignard]

Apologies, I'm working so can't do much searching of the relevant web pages but this might help...

Travel documents for non-EU family members - Your Europe

Well I'm loafing around in my pyjamas, thinking about a late breakfast! I've ticked the boxes, and as far as I can see, the 'partner' needs a visa [free of charge], unless she has a residence card.

 

[Poignard]

This was Porto's point....

"Theres a myth floating about you lost something with Brexit. You didn’t. You just have to do things properly."

British citizens did lose the automatic right to visit EU countries for more than 90 days in 180 (providing they can support themselves).

As @jfm has so eloquently put it, Porto is 110% wrong.

Time to bring on Colonel Nicholson

 

[DavidJ]

Close family (e.g. spouses and partners) travelling with an EU citizen (e.g. Irish passport holder) enjoy the same travel freedoms / benefits as the EU citizen.

That’s interesting @petem because my daughter is married to a S Irishman. Do you have a reference to your excellent information.

 

[DavidJ]

That’s interesting @petem because my daughter is married to a S Irishman. Do you have a reference to your excellent information.

Whoops
You have already provided the answer thanks

 

[jfm]

See post #24 and everyone who posted an emoji.

Thanks for linking me to EU law, like I didn't know about it.. Only replying out of courtesy, not necessity, because others have replied fully.

As others have said, your link proves you incorrect. As I said to you the last time you did that, a couple of months ago, why don't you actually read your links before you post them? I mean, check which way the gun is pointing before you pull the trigger.

 

[oldgit]

Theres a myth floating about you lost something with Brexit .

Err...so I find this rather nice boat in Italy or France or Spain which has unusually had the correct (Imposta sul Valore Aggiunto) paid on it and not subject to some tax evading/avoidance fiddle.
Lets assume for instance that its a ACM 38 Excellence and priced at £100.000 sterling at the current exchange rate.
How much would it cost me to buy and bring back to the UK both post and pre Brexit.
Keep it simple for the hard of understanding

 

[petem]

Well I'm loafing around in my pyjamas, thinking about a late breakfast! I've ticked the boxes, and as far as I can see, the 'partner' needs a visa [free of charge], unless she has a residence card.



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Further down it says...

Arriving at the border without an entry visa
It is always best for your non-EU family members to be well-informed in advance and to have all the necessary documents before starting their journey.

However, if they arrive at the border with their passport but without an entry visa, the border authorities should give them the opportunity to prove by other means that they are family members of a mobile EU citizen. They can do so by providing proof of their identity and family ties with an EU citizen (for example a marriage or birth certificate) and, proof that they are joining or accompanying the EU citizen (for example, proof that the EU citizen is already living in the country where entry is sought). If they manage to prove it, they should be issued with an entry visa on the spot.

 

[petem]

See also....

Brits married to EU citizens and the 90/180 rule

 

[Poignard]

Further down it says...

Arriving at the border without an entry visa
It is always best for your non-EU family members to be well-informed in advance and to have all the necessary documents before starting their journey.

However, if they arrive at the border with their passport but without an entry visa, the border authorities should give them the opportunity to prove by other means that they are family members of a mobile EU citizen. They can do so by providing proof of their identity and family ties with an EU citizen (for example a marriage or birth certificate) and, proof that they are joining or accompanying the EU citizen (for example, proof that the EU citizen is already living in the country where entry is sought). If they manage to prove it, they should be issued with an entry visa on the spot.

Excellent! What a sensible attitude for the immigration authorities to take.

 

[petem]

Err...so I find this rather nice boat in Italy or France or Spain which has unusually had the correct (Imposta sul Valore Aggiunto) paid on it and not subject to some tax evading/avoidance fiddle.
Lets assume for instance that its a ACM 38 Excellence and priced at £100.000 sterling at the current exchange rate.
How much would it cost me to buy and bring back to the UK both post and pre Brexit.
Keep it simple for the hard of understanding

In the simplest possible terms....

Pre-brexit: £100,000 plus £10,000 shipping
Post-brexit: £100,000 plus £10,000 shipping plus 20% of £110,000

 

[DavidJ]

In the simplest possible terms....

Pre-brexit: £100,000 plus £10,000 shipping
Post-brexit: £100,000 plus £10,000 shipping plus 20% of £110,000

You are about right
I’ve just had a quote for my S37. I’m the original exported so the UK tax doesn’t apply.
Transportation £6950
UK import docs £120
Spanish export documents - varies depending how much paperwork is necessary, but can be as high as £450
French export documents - £200
added to that will be crane out, plastic wrapping and storage etc

 

[Hurricane]

You are about right
I’ve just had a quote for my S37. I’m the original exported so the UK tax doesn’t apply.
Transportation £6950
UK import docs £120
Spanish export documents - varies depending how much paperwork is necessary, but can be as high as £450
French export documents - £200
added to that will be crane out, plastic wrapping and storage etc

Or drive it round on its own bottom and make it a journey of a lifetime. You could do as we did and only travel during the day, stopping at marinas over night and only making the next leg when the weather is right. More expensive but think of the experience.

 

[Poignard]

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Theres a myth floating about you lost something with Brexit .You didn’t.You just have to do things properly.

If things now have to be done that didn't have to be done before Brexit, then what has been lost is the freedom, previously enjoyed, not to have to do those things!

Are you really unable to see that?

 

[DavidJ]

Or drive it round on its own bottom and make it a journey of a lifetime. You could do as we did and only travel during the day, stopping at marinas over night and only making the next leg when the weather is right. More expensive but think of the experience.

That would be a lovely final trip and the boat is in a condition that I would feel confident that we could do it without stress. I’d need to learn about tides again though.
There are some lovely Portuguese marinas we have visited by land which I’d rather fancy spending sometime in.
Do you mind me asking what your fuel cost was. I think I could budget on about half that.
Food for thought

 

[Portofino]

This was Porto's point....

"Theres a myth floating about you lost something with Brexit. You didn’t. You just have to do things properly."

British citizens did lose the automatic right to visit EU countries for more than 90 days in 180 (providing they can support themselves).

As @jfm has so eloquently put it, Porto is 110% wrong.

It’s just a different form to fill in ( visa ? ) with different criteria .
My point was always a form to fill in after you exceeded 90 in 180 , mayors office or police or what ever …..most never did .Each state had a different form .So what there was requirement to fill a form in .

By the sounds of it most on here acted illegally , back in the day ?

Because your passports are stamped it difficult to ignore this these day post brexit .The criteria may have changed and evolves .

 

[billskip]

Are you saying that the 90 in 180 rule applied when the UK was part of the EU? If that's the case, why wouldn't it apply to a French person visiting Spain?

It does, anybody that stays in spain more than 90 days is required by law to register their presence.....always has...

 

[billskip]

It does, anybody that stays in spain more than 90 days is required by law to register their presence.....always has...

Also Ireland is not a member of schengen....
I haven't read all the posts, but at this very moment my partner (Venezuelan) is here in Spain (Tenerife) and we have been dealing with this first hand for a long time.

 

[billskip]

When I was in the queue at immigration I was talking to a German couple and I asked why they were there..they said they have to apply and registered even though they are German.
As has been said...nobody bothered but that didn't make it legal.

 

[petem]

It’s just a different form to fill in ( visa ? ) with different criteria .
My point was always a form to fill in after you exceeded 90 in 180 , mayors office or police or what ever …..most never did .Each state had a different form .So what there was requirement to fill a form in .

By the sounds of it most on here acted illegally , back in the day ?

Because your passports are stamped it difficult to ignore this these day post brexit .The criteria may have changed and evolves .

Stop conflating the requirement to register in a country after 30 days and freedom of movement!

Post Brexit, to stay in Spain, for example, for more than 90 days you would have to apply for a Work Visa, a Non Lucrative Visa, a Golden Visa or a Digital Nomad Visa. Each of these has conditions applied and also limitations.

These are nowhere near as convenient as the FOM that we used to enjoy, which allowed us to move throughout the EU at will.