A different EU v UK question on boat place

Portofino said:
Not sure how or why FoM got brought into the 90 officialdom meet on this thread .Or why Brexit and it’s implications for U.K. keep getting tossed about in posts I certainly never mixed FoM in my post s .The Op s talking current not historical.

All I have ever said is after 90 days in one EU state you have to tackle officialdom one way or another .Furthermore you should have tackled it pre brexit and a lot didn’t .

Others have brought other stuff in and I thought usefully btw .
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This what you said right at the start of the thread! ...

"There's a myth floating about you lost something with Brexit. You didn’t. You just have to do things properly."

We lost FOM which I hope you now acknowledge.
 
Illetas said:
As a property and boat owner in the Balearics our time spent enjoying both has been curtailed because of the 90/180 rule and the most frustrating aspect is that if an EU national visits the UK they can stay for an unbroken period of 180 days. Why we didn't negotiate the same deal for UK citizens visiting the EU is beyond understanding
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Eu citizens are now to the U.K. 3 party and treated like everyone else .
EU have there own 90 day thing ,” made known “ to registration like Italy .To further envelopment to follow you “ should pay taxes where you spend most time “ which lends towards citizen ship .

Those aspect are left to each state to fine tune .That’s why words like “ may “ were in the wording .
petem said:
This what you said right at the start of the thread! ...

"There's a myth floating about you lost something with Brexit. You didn’t. You just have to do things properly."

We lost FOM which I hope you now acknowledge.
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I meant officialdom. “ do things properly “ In was referring to the 90 days thing . Thought I later clarified that ? Oh well .

Folks taking a word or sentence out of context, spins threads off in all sorts of directions .

Not you PeteM you have been polite but others have been abusive banding about “ garbage “ “ mods ban him “ “ put him on ignore “ etc etc …rather than seek clarity or add something useful .
I realise you have spent a lot of time with this and thx for that .
 
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Booking the ferry back to Scotland (via Newcastle) it's the first time I have had to add up the days my wife has spent in the UK this year as we will have another trip back later on in the year.
Last time we were there we were looking at floaty things. :)
 
Portofino said:
He meant a Brit .A Brit going to stay probably in the EU not working .Let’s keep “working “ out of this as it a given the necessary officialdom , visa , permit ? or what ever you wanna call it has been taken care of by the employer .

We are talking Brits in the EU .
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You're missing the point. We can't keep "working" out of it because it is directly relevant the question asked by BS. A visa/permit to stay 90+ days is not dealt with the by the employer because none is needed. EU law stipulates that no visa/permit is needed and there is no need to register with officialdom on day 91, for a FoM person who is employed. It's exactly an example of what BS asked for an example of.

So a pre brexit a UK person (or Dutch or Spanish etc...) could accept a job in Germany (or any other EU country) and just move to Germany and stay as long as they want due to FoM, and they did not have to register with officialdom by reason of being in the new country 91 days. Post Brexit, a UK person can't do that obviously.
 
What I don't think has been mentioned above is that (I believe, but I stand to be corrected) the FoM 90 day rule (registering presence) can be reset by simply leaving the EU state and re-entering it. I.e.: it's only a consecutive 90 days that counts. That said, doing so a third time (i.e.: >180/3 days) could still have tax implications depending upon individual circumstances and the EU state concerned. The third country citizen 90/180 rule is rolling and has no reset mechanism.
 
syvictoria said:
What I don't think has been mentioned above is that (I believe, but I stand to be corrected) the FoM 90 day rule (registering presence) can be reset by simply leaving the EU state and re-entering it. I.e.: it's only a consecutive 90 days that counts. That said, doing so a third time (i.e.: >180/3 days) could still have tax implications depending upon individual circumstances and the EU state concerned. The third country citizen 90/180 rule is rolling and has no reset mechanism.
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Take a look at my post #112 above … The tax and legal advice I received from several sources was that leaving an EU state for a short period of time does not automatically reset the clock. The concept of continuous presence and the permitted number of days are defined by each country according to its own immigration rules. With some it’s possible to simply leave and return, but with others it is not. This is particularly the case where the departure is considered to be only a temporary interruption to an otherwise continuous stay, where at the time of departure there is a clear intention or likelihood that you will return, or where the sole or main purpose of the departure is to reset the clock on the number of days. You need to look at your own individual circumstances, the reason for your presence in a country, the ties you have to that country … and get professional advice rather than relying on generic information provided on websites.
 
syvictoria said:
What I don't think has been mentioned above is that (I believe, but I stand to be corrected) the FoM 90 day rule (registering presence) can be reset by simply leaving the EU state and re-entering it. I.e.: it's only a consecutive 90 days that counts. That said, doing so a third time (i.e.: >180/3 days) could still have tax implications depending upon individual circumstances and the EU state concerned. The third country citizen 90/180 rule is rolling and has no reset mechanism.
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I really dont think it matters, a German going to Spain there is no evidence when they arrive or leave, the discussion (from my point) is that even for EU nationals there are rules that require a declaration of presence in another country. jfm has given an example of exemption from this.
 
A helicopter view of all this is this ……imho

If you are NOT paying tax(es ) in the country you spend most of of your time , by “ taxes I mean any form of contributions = why ?

That’s the ground hog principle .It’s rough and ready I know but if you are officialdom will come for you .
 
billskip said:
I really dont think it matters, a German going to Spain there is no evidence when they arrive or leave, the discussion (from my point) is that even for EU nationals there are rules that require a declaration of presence in another country. jfm has given an example of exemption from this.
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I'd put it the other way around Billskip. Your side of this debate is the exception, and mine is the default. EU rules permit countries to require this registration of FoM people on day 91 in some limited circumstances, but positively prohibit it in other widespread circs. There are more cases where countries have chosen not to bother creating these permitted rules or the person benefits from the prohibition, than the opposite. So you're the exception and I'm the default.
 
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Portofino said:
A helicopter view of all this is this ……imho

If you are NOT paying tax(es ) in the country you spend most of of your time , by “ taxes I mean any form of contributions = why ?

That’s the ground hog principle .It’s rough and ready I know but if you are officialdom will come for you .
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That's just the sort of generic comment that DAW sensibly advises people to ignore. Tax is all about detail not helicoptering. Very few countries have a "most of your time " rule (France has one, UK has an almost irrelevant tie based on it that impacts perhaps 10 people per year). Moreover, there are plenty of reasons why someone can be a country not paying tax. Someone might be wealthy, stay in a country for a couple of years, receive no income, and live off accumulated capital. Ergo no direct tax. Your comment is so helicopterish that it's pointless.
 
syvictoria said:
What I don't think has been mentioned above is that (I believe, but I stand to be corrected) the FoM 90 day rule (registering presence) can be reset by simply leaving the EU state and re-entering it. I.e.: it's only a consecutive 90 days that counts. That said, doing so a third time (i.e.: >180/3 days) could still have tax implications depending upon individual circumstances and the EU state concerned. The third country citizen 90/180 rule is rolling and has no reset mechanism.
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I don't want to get into detail but just want to add that there are zillions of countries that will tax you on a residence basis if you're present for a day count that is plenty less than 180 or 183.
 
jfm said:
That's just the sort of generic comment that DAW sensibly advises people to ignore. Tax is all about detail not helicoptering. Very few countries have a "most of your time " rule (France has one, UK has an almost irrelevant tie based on it that impacts perhaps 10 people per year). Moreover, there are plenty of reasons why someone can be a country not paying tax. Someone might be wealthy, stay in a country for a couple of years, receive no income, and live off accumulated capital. Ergo no direct tax. Your comment is so helicopterish that it's pointless.
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Talking EU .
 
jfm said:
I'd put it the other way around Billskip. Your side of this debate is the exception, and mine is the default. EU rules permit countries to require this registration of FoM people on day 91 in some limited circumstances, but positively prohibit it in other widespread circs. There are more cases where countries have chosen not to bother creating these permitted rules or the person benefits from the prohibition, than the opposite. So you're th
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jfm said:
exception and I'm the default.
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I thought I said exemption...but whatever...its all a total ....f.......
 
Sold a boat gearbox to a boat owner who lives in Germany via a well known auction site.
A very simple and straight forward sale and purchase .
We gave up trying to ship 50 kilos 300 miles.
We arranged to meet at midnight on a deserted lonely bit of the coast known only to locals ie. Dover
Actually it was lunchtime but ruins the narrative :)

"IF you wake at midnight, and hear a horse's feet,
Don't go drawing back the blind, or looking in the street,
Them that ask no questions isn't told a lie.
Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by."
R. Kipling.

Should one of us be expecting a bang on the door from the revenue anytime soon ?
 
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