90 in 180 limit from 1st January.

[Seven Spades]

The CA is asking member to sign this petition asking the government to negocialte 180 in 365 instead of 90 in 180. This would put the EU on reciprocal terms to the UK. They are also asking that everyone write to their MP's as the government has decided not to negociate this issue. The CA feels that the arrangements outr to be reciprocal and we shoudl all pressure our MP's to push for that. The Schengen restrictions are bad for people with boats and for those with second homes.


Sign the Petition

 

[Kelpie]

Signed. Seems like a no brainer.
If we revert to 90 in 180, this will directly affect my plans for an Atlantic circuit next year- I'll have 90 days between crossing Biscay and leaving the Canaries, which leaves me with trying to juggle a late Biscay crossing or an early Transat, neither of which is ideal for safety.
Of course in an ideal world I would like to take as long as I need, including staying in Europe for a year. But that option looks like it's gone.

 

[Concerto]

Signed. We should stand firm demanding 180 out of 365, or insist the vistors from the EU will be subject to reciprical 90 out of 180. The EU should remember we were part of the EU and should respect us as a special case.

 

[awol]

Signed. We should stand firm demanding 180 out of 365, or insist the vistors from the EU will be subject to reciprical 90 out of 180. The EU should remember we were part of the EU and should respect us as a special case.

The UK is "special" all right but I don't think the EU will take the disability of Westminster into account

 

[prv]

should respect us as a special case.

When our politicians and media have spent the past four years being deliberately obstructive and gratuitously rude to them? Frankly I'm surprised at the degree of respect that is still being shown. And note how even that isn't being reciprocated.

Pete

 

[newtothis]

The EU should remember we were part of the EU and should respect us as a special case.

Your party sucks, and we're going home because we don't like the way you play. And we're not letting you have any of our fish. But you better respect us!

 

[Ohlin Karcher]

So will there be a Gestapo-style Eurodatabase tracking the exact movements of hundreds of thousands of itinerant cruising yachts? Because there isn't anything like that in existence at the moment, different bits of Norway can't even communicate between themselves, same goes for Spain.
I agree with the petition, (signed) but surely in practice the huge infrastructure needed to track, log, analyse, hunt and arrest all of us miscreants staying a day over 90/180 would be so gigantic, that the risk of boarding and fining by jackbooted guards will surely be minimal?
Personally I don't give a monkey's about rules and regulations, but I can fully appreciate that some yachts can't take risks, especially if you've got kids on board etc.
Let's not get too gloomy about this bureaucracy. As Churchill said:
"When heads roll in Europe, a football rolls in London"..
(Well he didn't actually, I made it up, but you get my gist..)

 

[Ohlin Karcher]

Signed. Seems like a no brainer.
If we revert to 90 in 180, this will directly affect my plans for an Atlantic circuit next year- I'll have 90 days between crossing Biscay and leaving the Canaries, which leaves me with trying to juggle a late Biscay crossing or an early Transat, neither of which is ideal for safety.
Of course in an ideal world I would like to take as long as I need, including staying in Europe for a year. But that option looks like it's gone.

I have the same plan for an extended A/circuit, and navigational decisions will eclipse petty rules and regulations, all day long.

 

[[159032]]

When our politicians and media have spent the past four years being deliberately obstructive and gratuitously rude to them? Frankly I'm surprised at the degree of respect that is still being shown. And note how even that isn't being reciprocated.

Pete

You didn't follow the Barnier thread. His job was to be deliberately obstructive and gratuitously rude. He did quite well. Didn't work though.

 

[[159032]]

Signed. We should stand firm demanding 180 out of 365, or insist the vistors from the EU will be subject to reciprical 90 out of 180. The EU should remember we were part of the EU and should respect us as a special case.

No chance. We left. They don't like that. From their perspective, it is war.

 

[Lightwave395]

I'll be signing as soon as the change.org server gets well...we live in hope

 

[Concerto]

When our politicians and media have spent the past four years being deliberately obstructive and gratuitously rude to them? Frankly I'm surprised at the degree of respect that is still being shown. And note how even that isn't being reciprocated.

Pete

Sorry Pete but from day 1 of Brexit negotiations the EU has made a stand that is defensive to the point of trying to stop further members from leaving the group. A very recent survey within the EU found 49% of Italians wanted to leave the EU which is a staggering amount considering how their economy has been propped up by the EU. Holland and Spain are also finding strong support to leave.

I did not want to leave the EU, but we should not allow the EU to demand controls over us as a free nation. The EU should remember that as a major economy on their doorstep that they export more to us than we sell to them, not to mention the annual fees we have been paying. Do you think the German car makers, or the farming/fishing communities are going to be happy if we start blocking their exports with import duties. Pressure will come from within to make them become more realistic. Getting so many countries to agree unanimously is almost impossible, especially many of the ex-communist block who are wanting funds to improve their infrastructure. All of the treaties to establish the Common Market, followed by the EU, never thought, let alone prepare for, any country to leave. They are still thinking a unified group of countries with a multitude of laguages, politcal systems and economic pressures can be held together by a parliament that moves between two places and has a single currency. Sorry they are in cloud cuckoo land. The way the EU reacted to Covid-19 shows how disjointed they really are. Virtually every country raised barriers at their borders to stop free movement of people and goods - a cornerstone of the EU. Not to mention the different ways they all went into lockdown and no central effort to move aid to the areas most badly hit.

My opinion is the EU will continue for some years or several decades, stumbling from one crisis to another, and eventually the internal strife will start its disintergration. Germany will stop feeling so generous to the poorer nations whilst they continue to ignore the financial controls they should abide by. The Euro suffered badly when Greece, Italy and Spain all failed to stay within the set financial parameters. Today they will now have to face the financial cost of Covid-19, and who should pay.

As a final point, the majority of the EU do not show any appreciation for how we initially stood alone in WWII to fight to allow them the freedoms they now have.

 

[Frogmogman]

Brexit enthusiasts are so desperate for the EU to fail and disintegrate, I guess as a means of self justification.

I really fail to recognize the attitudes ascribed to the EU, it's members and it's citizens from your side of the channel.

Concerto's last sentence, suggesting that the majority of the EU have no appreciation for the UK's efforts in WWII is just plain nonsense, as anyone who has attended a remembrance ceremony over here can testify. It doesn't mean that we have to bend over backwards and let you have your way on everything now that you've decided to leave the club.

 

[TiggerToo]

having a larf....
We deserve all we get. All this brexit shenanigans are more evil than Covid19: all the more stupid as they were driven on purpose by some Russian-funded crooks, some of which now sit in 10 Downing St

 

[V1701]

Hang on a minute, the EU has already offered extended (beyond the normal Schengen visa) travel arrangements though haven't they, as long as they were reciprocated. The UK government, in it's infinite wisdom, declined...

 

[newtothis]

The UK government, in it's infinite wisdom, declined...

I can see you being sarcastic there

 

[Norman_E]

I'll be signing as soon as the change.org server gets well...we live in hope

Me too.

 

[webcraft]

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I won't be signing because it is all bollocks, a change.org petition with over 7 million signatures didn't get a consideration from Westminster and the EU aren't interested either. Brexit is a religion, not a rational series of choices.

I intend to try to get Portuguese residency before the end of the year - seems the most likely way ot be able to avoid the 90/180 rule, as I can't get an Irish passport.

As for Mr. Pressurewasher's intention to ignore the law - well, I've seen people who tried to leave a Canarian harbour without permission chased and towed back by the coastguard, so good luck with that. The Spanish are pretty laid back until you try to mess with them, then they are a lot more efficient than the Brits.

- W

 

[Stork_III]

Hang on a minute, the EU has already offered extended (beyond the normal Schengen visa) travel arrangements though haven't they, as long as they were reciprocated. The UK government, in it's infinite wisdom, declined...

Don't think so. UK terms already more generous than EU, as noted in the OP

 

[V1701]

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I won't be signing because it is all bollocks, a change.org petition with over 7 million signatures didn't get a consideration from Westminster and the EU aren't interested either. Brexit is a religion, not a rational series of choices.

I intend to try to get Portuguese residency before the end of the year - seems the most likely way ot be able to avoid the 90/180 rule, as I can't get an Irish passport.
- W

Yep that's pretty much exactly where I'm at with all this as well, best of luck getting it sorted...