90/180 days

[sailaboutvic]

We left Portugal to UK in April, having been there since 2020, returned in July, left again to UK last week. All trips through Lisbon airport, no stamps either way and both stays exceeded 90 days but, passport scan may have shown up residence status.

Was the scan both time auto or was they done by a guard?
Just working out plain for return ,
although mine more complicated as I'm flying sicily to Holland , Holland to Denmark, Denmark to Holland, Holland to UK then returning back the same way but missing out Denmark.
Not left since 2019 ,
Partner Dutch so maybe that be my get out of Jail card ,
although no prove of time togather old photos will have to do .

 

[Graham376]

Was the scan both time auto or was they done by a guard?

Manual scan by immigration officer in/out of Portugal using EU passport desks, wanted to see vaccination certs and PLFs on entry in July. Electronic entering UK, no documents inspected.

 

[Lightwave395]

Is it possible to ask a question to them who did visit the EU this year and return back to the UK or the other way around?

What I wish to know is where was your passport stamp ?
1 leaving the UK
2 arriving back in the UK
3 Arriving in the EU
4 leaving the EU
5 all four .

3 and 4

 

[sailaboutvic]

3 and 4

So it seems any stamps of passports are only happening at arrival and departure at EU airports .

 

[ean_p]

When a new passport is scanned, maybe name + date of birth will tie up with old or, could be there's something in the code to tie it to previous issues.

That is what I was wondering about and how it works.....?

 

[Lightwave395]

So it seems any stamps of passports are only happening at arrival and departure at EU airports .

My inbound stamp to France was at Roscoff ferry port, my outbound stamp was also at the ferry port a week later but after I walked round from the marina, I sailed for the UK later that day

 

[sailaboutvic]

My inbound stamp to France was at Roscoff ferry port, my outbound stamp was also at the ferry port a week later but after I walked round from the marina, I sailed for the UK later that day

I take it was France PP not UK custom

 

[Lightwave395]

I take it was France PP not UK custom

Yachtline, UK customs and immigration were pretty disinterested in my arrival at Falmouth aside from the isolation rules (it was last July)

 

[sailaboutvic]

Yachtline, UK customs and immigration were pretty disinterested in my arrival at Falmouth aside from the isolation rules (it was last July)

Now this is interesting, ,it just hit me you sailed the boat from France to the UK ?
Can I pm you ?

 

[Lightwave395]

Now this is interesting, ,it just hit me you sailed the boat from France to the UK ?
Can I pm you ?

Of course

 

[Mistroma]

Residence not entered on passport, it's either A4 paper, card or plastic biometric. When a new passport is scanned, maybe name + date of birth will tie up with old or, could be there's something in the code to tie it to previous issues.

Although I have residence and use UK passport, my wife doesn't have residence under her UK passport name which is different to her citizen card in maiden name, which can no longer be used for travel. If either of us is accused of overstaying, it will likely be her

Do I sense a cunning plan?

 

[goeasy123]

If you read the border guards manual it tells you what they check and what the scan does. The scan is a requirement the EU lays on counties to check against criminal records databases.
I understand from a discussion with an official here in Spain that one's name might be entered on one of the databases if they are caught breaching the 90/180 days or if they make a request for dispensation.

 

[nortada]

If you read the border guards manual it tells you what they check and what the scan does. The scan is a requirement the EU lays on counties to check against criminal records databases.
I understand from a discussion with an official here in Spain that one's name might be entered on one of the databases if they are caught breaching the 90/180 days or if they make a request for dispensation.

This assumes the border guards read the manual or take any notice of what they read.

Suspect many carry on now, very much as they have before.

 

[st599]

This assumes the border guards read the manual or take any notice of what they read.

Suspect many carry on now, very much as they have before.

Yes, but what they do now, and what they do next year once the Schengen entry and exit database with automated calculation and flagging is rolled out may not be the same.

 

[nortada]

Yes, but what they do now, and what they do next year once the Schengen entry and exit database with automated calculation and flagging is rolled out may not be the same.

Always assuming that SIS database is up and running next year and if so, it could introduce even more cock-ups.

Think it could come down to the guy in front of you on the day, which could result on countries with a more relaxed approach becoming the gateways to the EU i.e. once in unlikely to get picked up by internal checks but leaving could become a problem. ??

Trapped In Europe? Only option maybe a trip home in a rubber boat across the Channel.?

 

[Shaddickp]

Just for information - I recently went over the 90 days, clocked up 95 days. The overstay was in Spain which is reputed to be one of the more lax countries on this restriction, flew in and out via Barcelona airport, passport was scanned and entry and exit dates stamped into my passport. No problem. However there were a couple of police on the departure desk when boarding, which is unusual, maybe co-incidence, but nothing said.

 

[westernman]

Just for information - I recently went over the 90 days, clocked up 95 days. The overstay was in Spain which is reputed to be one of the more lax countries on this restriction, flew in and out via Barcelona airport, passport was scanned and entry and exit dates stamped into my passport. No problem. However there were a couple of police on the departure desk when boarding, which is unusual, maybe co-incidence, but nothing said.

The question is if you will be refused entry anywhere else or in Spain the next time you visit a Schengen country.
I would not have risked it, and would not sleep soundly even now.

 

[nortada]

Just for information - I recently went over the 90 days, clocked up 95 days. The overstay was in Spain which is reputed to be one of the more lax countries on this restriction, flew in and out via Barcelona airport, passport was scanned and entry and exit dates stamped into my passport. No problem. However there were a couple of police on the departure desk when boarding, which is unusual, maybe co-incidence, but nothing said.

Be interested to hear who advised that Spain is ‘one of the more lax countries on this restriction’?

From what I have read/heard this is not the case so I would be cautious to push it.

 

[sailaboutvic]

The question is if you will be refused entry anywhere else or in Spain the next time you visit a Schengen country.
I would not have risked it, and would not sleep soundly even now.

Why lose sleep over some thing that may not happen .
I have a friend returning back to his boat on Monday who over stayed by three months and nothing said when he passport was scan went he left , I know he not lost any sleep ,
we depart on Tuesday for a month maybe a bit longer

 

[westernman]

Why lose sleep over some thing that may not happen .
I have a friend returning back to his boat on Monday who over stayed by three months and nothing said when he passport was scan went he left , I know he not lost any sleep ,
we depart on Tuesday for a month maybe a bit longer

It is not the leaving which is the problem. They probably could fine you a relatively small amount, but on the whole they probably can't be bothered with the paperwork.

The problem is arriving the next time. In Spain or elsewhere in Schengen. The computer may well say no, and it is very easy for the passport control officer to stamp a refusal into your passport and not let you in.