steve yates
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deleted, you just answered the question I was going to ask as I was typing it.
36' Westerly model help
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doug748
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You did well. ?
The tired old stuff: "It's not worth it - you wont get your money back" Presupposes that there is some magical way of owning a boat that does not involve both capital depreciation and running costs.
The second shibboleth is that your 150k would have bought you a "better" boat. It would simply have bought you a different one.
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Concerto
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Both Concerto and a new boat would have been able to sail to exactly the same places. A new boat would have had virtually no wortk to do it and it would have meant a slightly better living accomodation, but with slightly less comfort sailing wise. Concerto, being a Westerly Fulmar, is one of the top three GRP classic yachts (the others in my opinion are the Twister and Contessa 32). The Fulmar is known for its beautiful sailing qualities and I can vouch it is one of the most vice free yachts I have ever sailed and I have sailed a huge number of different boats.
Whether a new boat is actually a "better" boat is a matter of opinion. At the Southampton Boat Show I heard so many people compare Concerto to the offerings from the mass market manufacturers. They loved the traditional wood below, allied with plenty of storage, handholds in the right places etc and said the modern boats were too open below and sterile like it had been made by IKEA. Even owners of the mass manufacturers boats from 2005 and earlier were damming of the current offerings.
Then I also get the same amount of enjoyment from an investment that is one third of what I could have spent. Perhaps I get more smiles per mile as I sail as it costs me less. Then there are plenty of other owners who have found what I have done to Concerto an inspiration to improve their own boats, to me that is priceless.
DeepKeel
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That's a dangerous time! A couple of times in my life, I have worked to upgrade boats and get hem just how I want them. I then find I then have an overwhelming urge to sell them and start again with a new project. Of course that is crazy - in fact my advice to 2nd hand boat buyers is to take advantage of mugs like me and find something that someone else has paid to upgrade. It's not unusual to find a boat for sale for £20,000 on which £20,000 has been spent in the past 5 years.
Concerto
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I agree with you about getting some one else to do the work, but Concerto will not be for sale for at least another 10 to 15 years, when I will be in my early 80's. Concerto suits me fine and all the work is for my benefit. Next year I am planning to sail up the east coast and then stop and look round when I reach the Shetlands and then work my was down the other side. The trip is planned to be 5 months. Then in 4 to 5 years time I shall be moving from Kent to Cheshire, then Concerto will be based in N Wales. One trip will be round Ireland and the west coast of Scotland will be my regular cruising ground. I expect to maintain Concerto to the same standard during my custodianship and will make her very easy to sell in the future.
DeepKeel
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I am jealous, I was never able to attain that very sensible state of mind. N. Wales is a nice place to base a boat. I too have lived in Cheshire and kept boats in Conwy marina and on drying moorings in Beaumaris. Isle of Man, Ireland, West Coast o Scotland are nice extended cruises, but don't forget S Wales. Pottering along the Llyn peninsula then blasting across Cardigan bay and pottering around Pembrokeshire can be very pleasant and in my experience much quieter and less 'yotty' than most places.
DeepKeel
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Can I revive this? I asked someone in the boatyard to take some pictures from ground level - they didn't go onboard. I can't post them as a newbie, but a couple of things jump out:
- The skeg in the pictures runs the full length of the rudder while pictures of for sale Conways show a semi-balanced rudder with no real skeg,
- The prop shaft is supported in a p-bracket, while pictures of Conways show the prop shaft emerging from the keel
dankilb
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Doesn’t sound like a Corsair nor a Conway. Could be an (Angus Primrose) Moody 36? One of the only British boats of that era/size with a skeg-hung rudder and a p-bracket.
Tranona
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Not so. All the Dubois designed boats had half skeg rudders and P brackets. The Conway and its contemporaries (33,Discus) were Giles designs with traditional shaft logs
Concerto
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The Fulmar has a balanced rudder with a very small skeg. All the Laurent Giles designs have a knuckle running along the topsides of the bow, but the Ed Dubois have smooth topsides like the Fulmar.
DeepKeel
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Suddenly I seem to be able to post images. It certainly has a centre cockpit with a rear cabin and looks like 36', but this is its underwater appearance. I may have to go back this weekend and do some serious poking around.
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chrishscorp
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Sorry to break it too you but that does not look like a Westerly, someone on here will be able to tell you what marque she is
dankilb
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Sorry, I meant ‘full skeg’-hung, as per the OP:
Our boat has a ‘half skeg’, which is actually about one-third. I really don’t think one can call the Dubois skegs ‘half’… more like ‘tiny’!
Now with pics, it has a bit of a Moody look to me - but what do I know?!
Tranona
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It is indeed. The Moody "primrose" on the bow gives it away. Probably a 36
Skysail
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Agreed, certainly a Moody 36. Like the Tardis, huge inside!
dankilb
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+1 - great boats!
DeepKeel
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Thanks all! Perhaps I should change the title of this thread. I am still very hesitant about taking this on, it's nothing like the boat I had in mind, but it's a lot of boat for the money and at 1st glance I don't see any fundamental problems. But then at 1st glance I didn't even know what it was 
I'll do some reading and go see it again at the weekend. Any gotchas for Moody's! Are the decks cored or solid ?
I'll do some reading and go see it again at the weekend. Any gotchas for Moody's! Are the decks cored or solid ?
Skysail
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Ask the Moody Owners Association. You don’t need to be a member.Thanks all! Perhaps I should change the title of this thread. I am still very hesitant about taking this on, it's nothing like the boat I had in mind, but it's a lot of boat for the money and at 1st glance I don't see any fundamental problems. But then at 1st glance I didn't even know what it was
Tranona
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Very soundly built, but the interiors are perhaps less good and many have not aged well, and probably not as good as the Westerly when new. Very popular for liveaboards because of the space available. They have been at bargain basement prices for some time because of the cost of bringing well used examples up to standard.Thanks all! Perhaps I should change the title of this thread. I am still very hesitant about taking this on, it's nothing like the boat I had in mind, but it's a lot of boat for the money and at 1st glance I don't see any fundamental problems. But then at 1st glance I didn't even know what it was
Here is one for sale - a good one! yachtworld.co.uk/yacht/1979-moody-36-7997487/
dankilb
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Decks will almost certainly be cored (although am less familiar with Marine Projects’ Moody mouldings). But very solid boats as others have said and a development on a successful and proven hull design. What other boat offers a ‘bathtub’ to lounge (or shelter!) in around the anchor locker?!Thanks all! Perhaps I should change the title of this thread. I am still very hesitant about taking this on, it's nothing like the boat I had in mind, but it's a lot of boat for the money and at 1st glance I don't see any fundamental problems. But then at 1st glance I didn't even know what it was
There were a few around when we were looking and some had extensive osmosis. Nothing uncommon about that and not a ‘gotcha’ per se - but worth exploring whether it has had any barrier coating in the past and what the physical condition and moisture readings are. Same as any boat of that age/era really.
Does it have the original engine? (Many were Thorneycroft IIRC and long in the tooth now)
