3 days looking at boats, think we've nailed it down

PaulGooch

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After spending many months thinking what boat is next, looking at a million possibilities online and changing my mind several times, i think we're finally set on what's next. For a while we were considering a sailboat and had pretty much decided what we'd have, then changed our minds.

We currently have a Merry Fisher 805 and although we've been extremely happy with her, we'd like something a little bigger. We'd like a bit more space inside and a little bit more comfort, whilst the MF805 is perfectly comfortable for a weekend away, we'd like something with a bit more space to lounge around. As we like the odd day out fishing, some more space in the cockpit would be nice, would like to have space for four to fish.

The Merry Fisher 925 seemed a reasonable choice and with single engined options, didn't look to cost much more to run than the existing boat. I had a look at various alternative from Beneteau, Ocqueteau, Rodman etc but for one reason or another, kept returning to the MF 925. During the course of looking i also spotted a few Prestige 32 ad's and quite liked the look of those, although they would need a budget increase and were twin engined. Some of the Sealines didn't look too bad, but don't want a sports cruiser or stern drives, so that rules most of those out. The 350/360 Statesman looked a lot of boat for the money though.

On paper, the Prestige 32 is the same length as the MF 925, but a foot bigger in the beam. Not much bigger for the extra cost and having to have twin engines, although it does look a lovely boat in the pictures. Finally ruled out everything else on the grounds of stern drives, too much canvas, too small a cockpit, don't like the layout, out of budget etc. Just left the MF925, Prestige 32 and the Sealine 360, but we're 99% the MF 925 is the one for us. Plenty about in budget and much cheaper to run.

Time for some fender kicking to finalise the choice of models. Don't want to waste anyones time unduly, so i explain the situation to the brokers who we visited and made it clear up front we were fine tuning our list of choices.

Friday, off to Buck's to look at a MF 925. Very low hours at just 139 hours and only used on the Thames, should be mint, especially as the broker tells me the valeter has just been on the boat. Hmm, he must have been onboard to make himself a cuppa, or use the heads, certainly wasn't there to do any cleaning. Externally the boat had chalky gelcoat and grubby decks, with no cockpit covers. No covers on the flybridge meant the weather and UV had taking it's toll. Inside, there were a few nasty knocks to the woodwork. The batteries were so flat the best they could manage was a faint glow on the cabin lights. This was the most basic boat i've ever seen, no heat, no cover, no electronics at all, not even screen demisters. Yet, it was priced at £10k above similar year boats that were well equipped.

The extra cabin space and extra cockpit space tick a couple of boxes, but i'm not really wowed. Is it enough to justify a change ? There's several things i'd want to change and the helm dash is too small for even a 10" plotter, so there's also a few boxes with crosses in them. Would be different for a first time buyer or someone upgrading from a much smaller boat, but i'm not so sure it's for us. Talk on the way home is that a few mods and some upholstery upgrades and we think it'd be OK, really ought to look at some better spec models, as this one is very plain. Still on the list.

Saturday and we're off to The Broads to look at a Prestige 32 and a Sealine 360, both with the same broker. The Prestige is near the office, so the broker came with us to look at this one first. First glance as we approached and it looks significantly bigger than the MF 925. Climbing aboard, the cockpit is noticeably wider, but a touch shorter. The broker opened the patio doors and, erm.... this is huge inside compared to the MF 925, wow ! This i like :) I knew the Prestige was a class apart from the Merry Fisher (and that's no disrespect to the Merry Fisher), but on paper and looking at the pictures, it shouldn't be this big. Love the layout, lots of room to lounge around as the table isn't fixed and the sofas are a nice size and well apart. Four adults would have a ton of room in here for a few days away, or longer. The helm layout is very nice indeed and there's tons of room overhead for more plotters than enough. The for cabin a plenty big enough and the guest cabin is also a good size. The heads is not really any bigger than our 805, but as SWMBO said, how much room do we need for a wee. The galley is nice too. I think the proportions are just right for the size of the boat. Engine access is a bit tight, as VP has already told us.

An odd problem though. I can't get my legs under or behind the wheel. I h ave to sit to one side or at an angle. On an otherwise excellently designed boat, this is unbelievably poor. The previous owner has made some alarmingly unpleasant mods here and there and his varnishing is something to behold :eek: The water squelching out from beneath the saloon sole and running down the steps was a tad off putting too. Why don't owners present there boats better ? On the whole, we left this one with all of our boxes ticked except two, i can't sit properly and SWMBO has no forward facing seat, which is a bit of a must for her. Maybe if i could get behind the wheel the bench seat is big enough for us both. I think it'd be straight forward enough to recess the helm and cure this though.

Some more looking at pics when we got home revealed that the slightly odd shelving in the fore cabin and some other odd features in the saloon were owner mods. More importantly, he'd raised the helm seat by 6", which accounts for the seating problems there.

Went to look at the Sealine 360 next. This was a stock boat and was very well presented. It was an extremely nice boat indeed. Seemed to me that the extra four feet was used up with the bigger galley slightly bigger guest cabin, slightly bigger owners cabin and better/bigger heads and shower. The main saloon seemed to be about the same size as the Prestige. The cockpit was a good size, but the layout and fixed seating don't really lend themselves to fishing. This was a significant box to have a cross in it and enough for us to cross this boat off the list. Anyone looking for a 36 foot shaft drive flybridge would be well advised to take a look at this one though. Looked spotless throughout and seemed to be sensibly priced too. She was at Norfolk Yacht Agency, Norwich. We really liked this boat a lot, just don't think we could live with the cockpit, plus it was another step up the budget ladder.

Sunday and we're off to look at another Prestige, without the silly owner mods. This one is a nice boat and is in original spec. Without the raised seat i can get behind the wheel and there's room for SWMBO, so the last two boxes get a tick. The minor niggles also turn out to be daft owner mods on the first boat and i'm 99.999999999999999% that the Prestige is going to be our next boat.

All in all, a good weekend :)
 
Jeanneau Prestige range is one that I've been impressed by. Haven't had the opportunity to really look closely, though.
 
Told you the P32 was a stack different to the MF925, transformed our boating :) if your budget allows having the extended bathing platform is nice.
I bought one new, here it is as I took the wrappers off, quite a feeling....
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Go on Paul, you know you want the Prestige!!

As i've said in other threads, we were looking for smaller boats, but I kept thinking "I'll have this and then i'll want something bigger"

I hate to go against the grain, but listen to your heart as much as your head.

The P32 seems like an excellent small fly-bridge from what i've seen.

The only thing that put me off was the engine access, other than that i'd probably have had one. Oh and the fact that the Cranchi I have now was only 120 miles on the motorway away, the P32's in my price range were in France!
 
Paul,

I know that there are always budget constraints to be considered, but when I saw some of your earlier posts I couldn't help but wonder if the MF925 would be enough of a step up from the MF 805 for me. With the P32 you are not just getting a bigger boat but also a classy interior IMHO and the twin engines will sound and feel like you've moved on a lot in terms of the overall boating experience.

Sounds really exciting, hope it comes together with you finding the right boat.

Good choice, I reckon. :):):)

Andrew
 
Good luck Paul.

The P32 is a big step up from the very capable 925.

Can't remember the exact numbers, but the Prestige is a fair bit longer.
Think the 925 has an loa of 9.76m and the 32 has an loa of 9.9 for the older version and 10.54 for the extended platform version (+/- 2005).

Both are very good boats, but the Prestige is in a different league.
Not all had trim tabs, make sure yours has. The one downside to the big beam is that she can be fairly harsh (not slamming, just very firm) in a head sea unless you trim down a little.

Also, I know you mainly fish at anchor, but if drift fishing, the 925 will just have the edge as the baby skeg on the 925 will grab the tide better than the full planing profile of the 32.

Tom
 
Thames Pricing.

IMVHO....may be best avoid the to Thames when buying a boat,be it private or brokerage,unless you are looking for a particular boat unavailable anywhere else but be prepared to pay top money for it.
Boats on the Thames appear to command a price premium of between 5-10% compared to elsewhere and if you are under any impression that perhaps they may be better maintained being more lightly used and therefore in better overall condition,you may well be disappointed.
It is very expensive to keep a boat on the Thames and boat asking prices reflect this.
 
IMVHO....may be best avoid the to Thames when buying a boat,be it private or brokerage,unless you are looking for a particular boat unavailable anywhere else but be prepared to pay top money for it.
Boats on the Thames appear to command a price premium of between 5-10% compared to elsewhere and if you are under any impression that perhaps they may be better maintained being more lightly used and therefore in better overall condition,you may well be disappointed.
It is very expensive to keep a boat on the Thames and boat asking prices reflect this.

Sorry to hijack this thread but if I take my boat round onto the Thames and maybe have a temporary mooring does this mean I could ask 10% more than if it's based on the Solent? For the sake of a quick blast round the coast seems a good idea to me especially as 10% means lots of extra £'s to spend on the next purchase or am I being silly:)
 
Easy to check.Just see what the brokers are asking for your boat up on the Thames,bearing in mind you have got to transport it there by road or take it round by water either way its 1K to 2K.
Plus is a sports boat of any interest on a river with a 5 knot speed limit ?
How does eye watering mooring fees and a £500 + EA licence sound ?
Having said that the river is full of 30 knot 1000 hp monsters :)
 
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Sorry to hijack this thread but if I take my boat round onto the Thames and maybe have a temporary mooring does this mean I could ask 10% more than if it's based on the Solent? For the sake of a quick blast round the coast seems a good idea to me especially as 10% means lots of extra £'s to spend on the next purchase or am I being silly:)

Sorry no - it's been in that salty stuff.:D
 
Jeanneau Prestige range is one that I've been impressed by. Haven't had the opportunity to really look closely, though.

There was one in Shotley marina when we were there. Looked a nice enough boat from the outside, but never saw it inside. That and the pictures on the net don't do it justice, i was quite shocked at how big it was inside.
 
Go on Paul, you know you want the Prestige!!

As i've said in other threads, we were looking for smaller boats, but I kept thinking "I'll have this and then i'll want something bigger"

I hate to go against the grain, but listen to your heart as much as your head.

The P32 seems like an excellent small fly-bridge from what i've seen.

The only thing that put me off was the engine access, other than that i'd probably have had one. Oh and the fact that the Cranchi I have now was only 120 miles on the motorway away, the P32's in my price range were in France!

We've decided it's what we'll have next, other than the tight engine access, it ticks every box. I'd been giving too much thought to the economy to be honest and realised we don't spend much on anything else, so might has well have what we really want. Well almost, couldn't quite run to the 58 footer :D

Looks like we'll be buying from France, as you say, much cheaper there. Let's hope the Euro collapses a bit more before i sell my current boat :)
 
Paul,

I know that there are always budget constraints to be considered, but when I saw some of your earlier posts I couldn't help but wonder if the MF925 would be enough of a step up from the MF 805 for me. With the P32 you are not just getting a bigger boat but also a classy interior IMHO and the twin engines will sound and feel like you've moved on a lot in terms of the overall boating experience.

Sounds really exciting, hope it comes together with you finding the right boat.

Good choice, I reckon. :):):)

Andrew

Thanks Andrew, you're right the 925 wouldn't have been enough of a step up to justify the change, although it's a nice boat.
 
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