2 stroke outboards banned

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deborahann

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The new law that's already happened, in that no new 2 stroke outboards can be imported to the UK, will seriously affect many boaters. 2 stroke outboards can still be purchased till they run out, then it's 4 stroke only.

4 stroke are much heavier, & can't lie on their sides or the oil spills out - not great for yotties, most don't have davits, so outboards are lifted about. Not a great for any boaters really, as specialist equipment that holds the 4 stroke outboard upright at all times will be needed.

Most outboard users only put in their outboards 1 or 2 gallons of petrol per year, hardly a gross impact on the environment. Alternatively there's now going to be many, many gallons of oil spilt in to our waterways, plus the problem of the used to be changed probably yearly.
 
2 strokes have not been banned. Just that emission regulations have been put in place.

Existing 2 strokes can be used, stocks held by dealers can be sold, but new 2 strokes have to meet emission controls. Rather different to the picture you are trying to paint
 
Get yourself a used Seagull. Parts available, dead simple design, with care they will last forever.

Alternatively, buy half a dozen old outboards the same as the one you currently use to build up a stock of spares. My Suzuki DT2 fuel tap is broken and on manufacturer back order. Unlikely to ever be fulfilled now, I guess.

Environmental footprint is probably more about the resources used to build new ones rather than the relatively small amount of oil consumed. With a 25 year old Seagull, the build cost spread over its lifetime is a fraction of that of a new motor with a planned 5 year lifetime. This law is sharp practice by manufacturers - it is not an environmental improvement!

Final comment, for a low use item like the outboard on a tender, my 2/- probably uses less oil in a year than is thrown away following the annual oil change of a 4/-!
 
At trhe risk of being flamed. Your talking twaddle.

I have a 4 Stoke outboard , for my flubber, it's light & is always stored on its side, without any oil leaks.

The fact that I don't have to muck about mixing fuel & Oil is a godsend.

Some progress is a good thing & this is definitely a good example.

Get yourself out of the dark ages.

Martin
 
this sort of twaddle presented as fact seems more and more prevalent on the forums these days. People don't check out facts before they post, just present them as fact and to be reacted to.
 
'4 stroke are much heavier, & can't lie on their sides or the oil spills out'

Not true, my Honda is the lightest in class, and can lie on it's side. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Brendan S
If it`s putting your blood pressure up then I suggest you don`t react then --- no one is making you!
 
my blood pressure hasn't gone up at all. Just fed up of people posting 'facts' which have no basis in real life.

Do you have any facts you can present, or are you just another jump on the bandwagon poster?
 
Well done Brendan. This has come up on the forum several times. I have owned a Mariner 2 stroke and now have Honda 4 stroke .... While the Honda doesn't win on every front, overall it is far superior and most definately is not heavier.
 
My my you must be rather small minded if people posting "facts" on a public Forum get you fed up.
Here`s a fact that will not make you fed up ----next Sunrise will be today ( wed) a.m! Being an expert on Facts you will no doubt know the precise time of the said event from Lands End to Liverpool.
I dont know what you mean about being "another jump on the bandwagon poster" -- who are the others then? and are we all taking up your personal posting space?
Bit of the pot calling the kettle black isn`t it when you have 23000 odd posts to my 165 ---what a cheeky chap you are!
 
ho hum, once you've got over the number of posts a person has to their name bias, can you tell me exactly what you are trying to say, as you seem a little retarded in the intelligence stakes, and are not stating the case on two stroke engines particularly well.
 
In an attempt to stop this sniping the new regulations as I read them are;

No new two stroke engines to be imported into the UK unless they meet emition criteria

Exsisting stocks of new two stroke engines can be sold until stocks runout.
(I've recently seen a new boxed Seagull for sale on e-bay at £1000)

You can use any two stroke you own for as long as you like.

Honda engines had until recently two lugs on their base tray. They are there to indicate which way the engine should be stored. The reason for this is to stop the oil in the sump runnig into the barrel and ruining the engine.

Why this regulation ever got through is beyond me as the polution saved does not equate to the amount of oil used through oil changes in four strokes.
 
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Why this regulation ever got through is beyond me as the polution saved does not equate to the amount of oil used through oil changes in four strokes.

Ah but....

The changed oil should be responsibly disposed of - not just lost all over the water.............. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Sorry you did get the Sunrise fact I`ll try to make it easier for now.I believe you started off this by slagging off another forumite who was merely offering information and their opinions.It was that that I took exception to.
It can be seen from other replies that users opinions do differ and why not.
I have not seen a single FACT from you re this thread re engines so what has been your contribution so far ?Seems to me you like to dish it out but maybe not so keen to get it back. Anyway lets be more constructive shall we with some real FACTS

Honda Four Stroke 2.3 13.3 Kg Tohatsu 3.5 Two Stk 13.Kg
Honda 5HP 27 Kg Tohatsu 5 .0 20kg

Hondas may be better for some but the FACT is they ain`t lighter , than a 2 stroke HP for HP. Other not so well designed four strokes are heavier than the Hondas.
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See !! I was right ,you really don`t like it back do you?

After I gave you those nice facts you wanted too.

AS you say what jolly fun
 
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you really are a small minded individual with little understanding of the issue under discussion

Oh what fun

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Brendan, that is out of order, and before you start on me that you didn't ask for that I would respond that you demanded it! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Funny that. I chose my 4 stroke because it was one of the ligtest available, there were several 2 strokes heavier & the no oil mixing requirement was the killer deal.

There were several other aspects that made the 4 stroke the best choice but the ones I have quoted will do here.

Cherry picking one product against another does not prove your point, in fact, it rather strengthens Brendans.

Martin
 
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